TIL No Kings Protests were the 3rd Largest in US History
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Cool, then Sieg Heil to you, mein guter Herr. Enjoy your moral superiority when ICE kicks in your door.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes, if you oppose ICE but not the genocide, I am morally superior to you. That is a factual statement.
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And yet here you are actively fighting against activism to enact change in the government.
Are you wearing a maga hat right now or something? What is the motivation here?I would never. So please clarify for me- what was accomplished by this billionaire sponsored event? What change was enacted or demanded?
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They don't have "a" narrative that can be refuted. Any narrative that they present is facile and can be changed in mid sentence. Addressing the things they say is a waste of effort, even as counter-propaganda. It costs them orders of magnitude less to spread bullshit than it costs you to spread the antidote. This is just another way that they get you.
I don't mean to devalue organizing and peaceful protest, but the benefits are what it does to us, not what it does to them.
I was trying to say that. Seeing others puts a 'narrative' that is different from theirs in your own head, because you see with your own eyes. Everybody still needs to adress all incoming information, it's not always apparent it is a false story.
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No, it is necessarily true, according to the data lol. The higher the voter turnout, the more left wing candidates win. I don't doubt that what you say is true at some level, but it doesn't happen enough to affect the trend of higher voter turnout = more left wing wins.
This has changed. Look at the propensity switch. Low propensity voters back trump by higher margins than high propensity voters since 2020.
Hence why Democrats dominate low turnout special elections these days
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We clearly have the numbers against traitorous conservatives.
Would be really cool if we could use those numbers before allowing them to destroy our society.
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They don't have "a" narrative that can be refuted. Any narrative that they present is facile and can be changed in mid sentence. Addressing the things they say is a waste of effort, even as counter-propaganda. It costs them orders of magnitude less to spread bullshit than it costs you to spread the antidote. This is just another way that they get you.
I don't mean to devalue organizing and peaceful protest, but the benefits are what it does to us, not what it does to them.
Showing up isn't arguing against them, it's sending a message to other people (amongst other things).
Arguing with fascists is pointless. Showing that not everyone agrees with them is different though, and has value. They may not have a singular static narrative, but they rely on the perception that dissent is a minority position.
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Until we start seeing general strikes, or other action, they will continue to ignore the people.
A week of general strikes, and the stock exchange tanking acordingly, would actually have an effect.
I keep seeing this, and I don't disagree, but what exactly is gonna change? Some rich people get slightly less rich, they'll still own most of our government. Our current admin clearly doesn't care about public opinion.
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Intense violent changes are more suited for writing stories about than gradual non-violent changes. I'm not saying gradual non-violent changes is what US needs right now, but your statement is false and I think you should stop instigating violence in this thread.
The United States was created by the Revolutionary War.
We live in a country that only exists because of violence. We celebrate and honor this violence every year on July 4 (and on Memorial Day and Veterans Day)
Clearly we as a nation deeply believe in the transformative power of violence. It's literally what it means to be an American.
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I keep seeing this, and I don't disagree, but what exactly is gonna change? Some rich people get slightly less rich, they'll still own most of our government. Our current admin clearly doesn't care about public opinion.
They care about money.
Day long general strikes have changed policy. A week would bring the government to the table on anything short of dissolving the government.
The US government is terrified of general strikes, and has gone to extraordinary measures to ensure they don't happen.
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And didn’t accomplish shit, by design. These types of protests are intended to channel frustration of the masses into feeling like they’ve done something, when really they’ve accomplished nothing.
That was more than enough people to overthrow the parasitic ruling class. Just do it already.
You first.
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looting will not be supported by the majority
Oligarchy is not supported by the majority. Yet it exists nonetheless
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Can you provide examples? From what I gather, 1 cops are still killing people, 2 we're still speeding towards climate catastrophe, 3 Trump is still in power, 4 Poverty and wealth disparity is getting worse, 5 Women in many walks of life are still second class citizens.
Unless the lasting impact you mean is one step forwards three steps backwards.
wrote last edited by [email protected]They asked a question, were asked to guess, and now are being demanded proof for the answer they are still seeking.
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So your mad that protesters in other cities aren't being attacked by local police and federal agents, got it.
Pass the word everyone, if you're not getting hit with tear gas and rubber bullets your protest doesn't matter. Might as well not even try.
Law enforcement will only target protests that are a threat to the oligarchy.
If a planned public protest is not targeted by law enforcement then it has been determined to be a toothless protest
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Murdering ceos didnt do jack shit, real change only happens like this
wrote last edited by [email protected]These protests, while better than nothing, will not produce real change.
Just as the George Floyd protests did not produce real change (Pelosi kneeling and raising a fist is not "real change")
UnitedHealth reduced claim denials following the murder. So at least that is some tangible positive result
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great job everyone!
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Good... now repeat it but as a General Strike
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Law enforcement will only target protests that are a threat to the oligarchy.
If a planned public protest is not targeted by law enforcement then it has been determined to be a toothless protest
I'm not sure if you forgot a /s or if you're being serious. If serious this is some ridiculous logic.
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By exactly using the MAGA the technique of, after ranting about blaming everybody else but yourself about all maner of problems, “asking” for others to provide solutions only to criticize them when given them, you’ve just proved what I suspected, so thanks for that.
You realize you're literally describing exactly what you did. You demanded details then couldn't come up with anything but a pipe dream.
And if I'm doing what MAGA did, what is the problem? Patton was the general the Germans feared the most, because he fought exactly the way they did.
And I love the last line. If I am the problem, what is the solution? Again, give me a lot of details.
Things like who is going to organize this general strike?
You're lying about what I wrote
Quote the exact words were I "blamed everybody" or even "asked for a solution".
Once again you're using a ploy straight out of the Fascist Manual of Argumentation: "When accused of something, accuse the other person of the same, lying if need be."
From the Fascist Manual of Argumentation you so far have:
- "Made broad claims about how everybody else is responsible for societal problems without providing any evidence at all of those claims. Demand that other do the work of disproving it when you yourself didn't do the work of trying to prove it"
- "When asked to back that theory with actual evidence, state a fact that is not logically linked to the theory you put forward, and hence cannot logically prove it".
- "When pointed out that there is no logical link between that event and your theory, counter-attack by demanding the impossible those pointing it out (in this case a "specific and detailed plan" for the problems of America as if that was easy) and when they naturally cannot deliver the impossible, use that to go down some "I win" rant whilst continuing to avoid the original point they made".
- "When they point out the nature of the argumentation ploys you're using to avoid addressing the original points they made, LIE about what they wrote to claimed that it was THEY who actually did it".
If you were arguing in good faith you would've either walked back on that theory, refined it some more, or tried to actually show there was a logical link between "Donald Trump winning the election in 2016 over Hilary Clinton" and "There are two sides. The Right and everyone else. The Right wins because they stay on topic and vote.".
You did not. Instead you went for the "Demand the impossible and when the impossible is not delivered claim that it proves the other person is not wrong" ploy, same as the MAGAs do.
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I'm not sure if you forgot a /s or if you're being serious. If serious this is some ridiculous logic.
wrote last edited by [email protected]What I said would be true of Russia. This is because Russia is an oligarchy and this is how oligarchies operate.
The United States is an oligarchy as well.
Therefore what I said applies to the United States.
The goal of law enforcement is to preserve the existing social structure. American social structure is that of oligarchy. Therefore law enforcement exists to preserve oligarchy.
American law enforcement is immensely well funded. These protests did not all encounter law enforcement opposition. Therefore, law enforcement must have determined that these protests did not represent a threat to oligarchy. Therefore the protests were toothless because they did not represent a threat to the existing social structure
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We are the majority.
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🧑 Always have been. That's why conservatives constantly try to make it harder to vote - the more people vote, the more left wing politicians win. Because the majority of people agree with left wing ideals.If blue fucking showed up at the boxes more often. (Even just 25% of the people registered as blue) nearly all government seats would flip and change would actually happen for the better. Instead left is actually center and right is facist.
