[OC] Personal opinion on Jackson Pollock's drip art
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I was similar until I saw him actually painting. There is something about the process that makes me love it. It's weird to me too that I feel that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Uj_HAAvbk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrVE-WQBcYQ&list=RDCrVE-WQBcYQ&start_radio=1
Appreciation of art is always 100% subjective (except technique). So your opinion is just as valid.
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Appreciation of art is always 100% subjective (except technique). So your opinion is just as valid.
Oh for sure, I believe everyone's opinion is valid as well. I'm just surprised that seeing him paint made me appreciate the art more. That is interesting to me. It reminds me of monks making sand mandalas, like he was meditating. I doubt he was drunk since he has to paint systematically and mainly on one leg.
Sand mandala being made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCwLLo_9D-E
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I think Pollock paintings are fine. I’ve seen his paintings in an art gallery at least once.
Compared to most other modern art in the same gallery, Pollock was actually visually pleasing to look at. He knew which colors work well together, which is uhm great.
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Lots of drip though
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Very polite of you to make that comment. I, however, am willing to be a dick.
Pollock was a drunk and a hack, Kandinsky is the abstract artist we should be celebrating as a household name.
Also I'm p sure I read that Pollock killed a dude while drunk driving and got away with it but I don't care enough about him one way or another to verify that before posting it on lemmy dot com.
Can’t tell if you are on the Neanderthal man spectrum or Jedi knight spectrum of bell curve.
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Tax dodges for the rich don't need to look good, they just need hype.
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Can’t tell if you are on the Neanderthal man spectrum or Jedi knight spectrum of bell curve.
Me? Probably Neanderthal.
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Tax dodges for the rich don't need to look good, they just need hype.
Sure, but if I were to do that, I'd at least buy something nice.
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I think Maude Lebowski was a better painter
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Didn't the CIA covertly drive up his price by secretly overpaying for his paintings?
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Didn't the CIA covertly drive up his price by secretly overpaying for his paintings?
Never heard of that, but I love an actual (with evidence) conspiracy theory. Spare me any conspiracy hypotheses tho, please.
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Very polite of you to make that comment. I, however, am willing to be a dick.
Pollock was a drunk and a hack, Kandinsky is the abstract artist we should be celebrating as a household name.
Also I'm p sure I read that Pollock killed a dude while drunk driving and got away with it but I don't care enough about him one way or another to verify that before posting it on lemmy dot com.
Kandinsky is the abstract artist we should be celebrating
Had to look this up, and wow yeah, that is some very striking, abstract art from someone who has definitely refined their craft and worked hard to do so. Very cool imagery.
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Pollock is popular because of this exact thing. He "challenged" the idea of art as the Dada movement had done. You can absolutely hate it but like Warhol it made conversations and questions about process and astetics. By making a meme about it you have in fact thought about what art is and aesthetics you prefer. A Pollock painting made you do that.
People saying he do not select colors or use technique is just false. He would use a pulley system for large scale canvases and spread the colors quite purposefully. Remember this is the time of "happenings" like applying body paint and rolling on canvases, cutting up the canvas and applying newsprint, burning things, etc.
I don't even like Pollock but not to recognize him in museums within a moment of abstract expression would be a disservice. I've had plenty of students say. "I could paint that!". But there are two points they always misunderstand. 1. Pollock was an established painter who drastically changed styles. Many artists show that they can paint or draw in the traditional style but choose to push what is even art. Some people at this time said the "process" was art not the painting hanging in the museum. 2. Everyone who tries to replicate a Pollock typically just uses some random paints with some bushes and just sort of flings it around. If you actually look at a Pollock in person up close. Yes you can see unevenness is created from not having full control of the paint on the brush but thought seems to go into exactly where the paint will land so that you have even coverage or at angles with different brushes. They is motion in how the paint drips. I can say that many of them I've seen are very much not "random" as you would think it would be.
Again I don't care for the work as there are plenty of other abstract expressions to choose from like Hans Hofmann, Helen Frankenthaler who used Pollock as an influence.
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I was similar until I saw him actually painting. There is something about the process that makes me love it. It's weird to me too that I feel that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Uj_HAAvbk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrVE-WQBcYQ&list=RDCrVE-WQBcYQ&start_radio=1
He did say one thing that made me think a lot about art in general:
"technique is just a means of arriving at a statement" - Jackson Pollock
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Very polite of you to make that comment. I, however, am willing to be a dick.
Pollock was a drunk and a hack, Kandinsky is the abstract artist we should be celebrating as a household name.
Also I'm p sure I read that Pollock killed a dude while drunk driving and got away with it but I don't care enough about him one way or another to verify that before posting it on lemmy dot com.
Don't forget my man Rothko!
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Didn't the CIA covertly drive up his price by secretly overpaying for his paintings?
Yes, they financed lots of art in the fifties/sixties to:
A) Show the west had better culture/art than the Soviet Union
B) Infiltrate those pesky leftists
That's why we have Pollack and other crap "artists". Pollack didn't even invent the whole "pouring" thing, some lady in an esatblock country did IIRC.
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Pollock is popular because of this exact thing. He "challenged" the idea of art as the Dada movement had done. You can absolutely hate it but like Warhol it made conversations and questions about process and astetics. By making a meme about it you have in fact thought about what art is and aesthetics you prefer. A Pollock painting made you do that.
People saying he do not select colors or use technique is just false. He would use a pulley system for large scale canvases and spread the colors quite purposefully. Remember this is the time of "happenings" like applying body paint and rolling on canvases, cutting up the canvas and applying newsprint, burning things, etc.
I don't even like Pollock but not to recognize him in museums within a moment of abstract expression would be a disservice. I've had plenty of students say. "I could paint that!". But there are two points they always misunderstand. 1. Pollock was an established painter who drastically changed styles. Many artists show that they can paint or draw in the traditional style but choose to push what is even art. Some people at this time said the "process" was art not the painting hanging in the museum. 2. Everyone who tries to replicate a Pollock typically just uses some random paints with some bushes and just sort of flings it around. If you actually look at a Pollock in person up close. Yes you can see unevenness is created from not having full control of the paint on the brush but thought seems to go into exactly where the paint will land so that you have even coverage or at angles with different brushes. They is motion in how the paint drips. I can say that many of them I've seen are very much not "random" as you would think it would be.
Again I don't care for the work as there are plenty of other abstract expressions to choose from like Hans Hofmann, Helen Frankenthaler who used Pollock as an influence.
This definitely gave me a new perspective. Thank you. I disagree with some things and the finished product is what is seen by most and "does not do anything for me" / I don't feel anything, which I value the most. You are more versed on the technical side of art than I am for sure. I hope people see this as a light hearted meme and nothing deeper, how I intended it.
Edit: Also, the fact that a vast amount of people dislike it, no matter how versed they are in art, still means something IMO, as on the subjective side everyone's opinion is equally valid.
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I think Maude Lebowski was a better painter
I find her work strongly vaginal which bothers me.
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I think Pollock paintings are fine. I’ve seen his paintings in an art gallery at least once.
Compared to most other modern art in the same gallery, Pollock was actually visually pleasing to look at. He knew which colors work well together, which is uhm great.
i thought it was shit until i saw some of his paintings in person, and they’re awesome….
they suck when tiny and on a screen -
Pollock is popular because of this exact thing. He "challenged" the idea of art as the Dada movement had done. You can absolutely hate it but like Warhol it made conversations and questions about process and astetics. By making a meme about it you have in fact thought about what art is and aesthetics you prefer. A Pollock painting made you do that.
People saying he do not select colors or use technique is just false. He would use a pulley system for large scale canvases and spread the colors quite purposefully. Remember this is the time of "happenings" like applying body paint and rolling on canvases, cutting up the canvas and applying newsprint, burning things, etc.
I don't even like Pollock but not to recognize him in museums within a moment of abstract expression would be a disservice. I've had plenty of students say. "I could paint that!". But there are two points they always misunderstand. 1. Pollock was an established painter who drastically changed styles. Many artists show that they can paint or draw in the traditional style but choose to push what is even art. Some people at this time said the "process" was art not the painting hanging in the museum. 2. Everyone who tries to replicate a Pollock typically just uses some random paints with some bushes and just sort of flings it around. If you actually look at a Pollock in person up close. Yes you can see unevenness is created from not having full control of the paint on the brush but thought seems to go into exactly where the paint will land so that you have even coverage or at angles with different brushes. They is motion in how the paint drips. I can say that many of them I've seen are very much not "random" as you would think it would be.
Again I don't care for the work as there are plenty of other abstract expressions to choose from like Hans Hofmann, Helen Frankenthaler who used Pollock as an influence.
What about Helen Frankenthaler and others doing "pouring" before Pollock, and that Pollock was a mediocre traditional painter, plus I guess the CIA money helped.
I understand the whole idea of transcending stuff, but just doing something "different" isn't IMO obligatory noteworthy.
The Dada movement challenged not just standards but art itself, interesting and necessary, but is it art? One can argue.
The impressionists started it all, but then it spiraled out to just do something not have been done yet, which is good and important, but IMO it does absolutely not mean it's some kind of new art form. But of course that's just my opinion.
