You'll never see them again
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Community has the best "big round number" episode.
And also the best bottle episode.
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Yeah, but half a season?
If memory serves, the DVD set had 3 extra unaired episode, plus the follow-on movie. So all told, closer to a full season.
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If memory serves, the DVD set had 3 extra unaired episode, plus the follow-on movie. So all told, closer to a full season.
But those didn't air prior to it being shitcanned.
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If you want to know how the series would've been if it had stayed on, you can read the comics.
They just make me miss Ron Glass
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a major drop off of people dropping off the show
Uhh.. what? So more people kept watching?
Yeah. That first season was really good! And Kate Mara!
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My guess is that if you didn't like the dog scene, you wouldn't like the rest of the show. The tone is the same.
Nailed it. Kevin Spacey, in the show, does whatever he needs to get what he wants. Just like in real life.
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Also TV now: This show/movie did well 40 years ago so we rebooted it with people who never saw it, a shitload of special effects, and totally missed why it was popular in the first place.
Curious - do you feel a lot of reboots have missed the mark?
I'm starting to feel the opposite, where a lot of reboots are way better than the original.
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I know the 26 ep a season shooting schedule was hell on actors, but it really allowed for more variety in episodic shows. There could be good eps and stinkers in a season without it impacting the overall show. Plus it gave you more time to weave in on-going plots while also giving room to explore specific characters more thoroughly.
I was thrilled by the BBC Sherlock that I wanted more. It was like 9 episodes across three seasons.
I think CBS had a Sherlock show with Lucy Lawless, which had like a couple seasons and 20 episodes each. And yikes. The story went nowhere, with their monster-of-the-week storytelling.
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Between that and how much cheaper everything was
I mean, here's an article from 1992 complaining that TV costs too much to produce.
I'm sure a proper Marxist could say something about the stead decline of profit. But if TV studios are strapped for cash, you'd never know from that validations of their parent companies.
it’s no wonder no film actors would be caught dead in a TV show until prestige television broke out of that mold.
There was definitely a jump from TV to Movies that people didn't want to come back from. But there's also only so many hours in the day, and half of making a movie was the market you did after filming was completed.
But at the end of the day... People remember Cheers and Cosby Show much more vividly than The Critic or Joey.
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Between that and how much cheaper everything was
I mean, here's an article from 1992 complaining that TV costs too much to produce.
I'm sure a proper Marxist could say something about the stead decline of profit. But if TV studios are strapped for cash, you'd never know from that validations of their parent companies.
it’s no wonder no film actors would be caught dead in a TV show until prestige television broke out of that mold.
There was definitely a jump from TV to Movies that people didn't want to come back from. But there's also only so many hours in the day, and half of making a movie was the market you did after filming was completed.
But at the end of the day... People remember Cheers and Cosby Show much more vividly than The Critic or Joey.
Hah. That's a fun time capsule. They're whining about 1.4 million per episode, which just seems so quaint now. the figures going around are 6 mill per episode in season 1 of Stranger Things and 30 mill per episode in season four. Even adjusted for inflation Quantum Leap wouldn't know what to do with that much money.
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They make a lot of shows now that would never have been greenlit back when all shows had to be hits. It's possible to have a niche now.
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Curious - do you feel a lot of reboots have missed the mark?
I'm starting to feel the opposite, where a lot of reboots are way better than the original.
In general I feel like reboots are lazy. There is a plethora of created and not-yet-created IP to choose from but producers continue to reboot the same franchises often ignoring established cannon in favor of “popcorn eating masses” appeal. Reboots frequently result in a generalization or dilution of the original plot with character traits dialed up to 11.
To answer your question more specifically; yes. Movies like ‘The Magnificent Seven’, franchises like Star Trek in the 90s, even shows like MASH or Buffy the Vampire Slayer (both based on films of the same name) showed that reboots don’t have to be in the same vein as their source content either by a change of genre, a change in timeframe, or even a change in medium. The best reboots have always brought their own new flavor to or take on the original material. But even doing that little means taking a risk and that doesn’t seem to be something producers are willing to do right now.
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Conversely
Producers find a new show idea that looks interesting and could be popular .....
Writers: yeah we got this idea that could be turned into an hour and a half hour long film ... it's very interesting, great plot dialogue, and there's a great twist
Producers, executives: Great idea! I love it! But it would give us more content if you could turn it into a series instead. Take the whole film and stretch it out across seven one hour episodes.
Writers: how?
Producers, executives: just cut it up into seven parts, slow everything down and make a dramatic cliff hanger at the end of every episode.
Also writers: We don’t give a shit about the source material the fans love. Fuck these nerds.
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the one thing i do appreciate is them dropping filler episodes
Oh no, filler is a good thing. Filler gives you time to know the characters, and adds depth and color to the world. Filler is where writers actually get to stretch and try out ideas. Filler is what makes a show feel full.
Imagine the X-Files with no filler. We'd lose the Jose Chung episodes, "Home," "the Post-Modern Prometheus," and so many other great episodes. Without the filler, it's just an endless slog through Chris Carter's poorly planned mythology. Just the smoking man and vanishing babies for
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Also TV now: This show/movie did well 40 years ago so we rebooted it with people who never saw it, a shitload of special effects, and totally missed why it was popular in the first place.
They did this a lot in the 90’s too. Production companies love to ground an IP into the dust.
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Oh no, filler is a good thing. Filler gives you time to know the characters, and adds depth and color to the world. Filler is where writers actually get to stretch and try out ideas. Filler is what makes a show feel full.
Imagine the X-Files with no filler. We'd lose the Jose Chung episodes, "Home," "the Post-Modern Prometheus," and so many other great episodes. Without the filler, it's just an endless slog through Chris Carter's poorly planned mythology. Just the smoking man and vanishing babies for
elevennine seasons.I think your opinion is by far the more popular view right now. I completely disagree though. Almost every mini-series I see I'm left dumbstruck as I feel like any decent editor could have gotten the same story across just as well with a 2 or 2.5h movie instead. I feel like they are just wasting my time.
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Oh no, filler is a good thing. Filler gives you time to know the characters, and adds depth and color to the world. Filler is where writers actually get to stretch and try out ideas. Filler is what makes a show feel full.
Imagine the X-Files with no filler. We'd lose the Jose Chung episodes, "Home," "the Post-Modern Prometheus," and so many other great episodes. Without the filler, it's just an endless slog through Chris Carter's poorly planned mythology. Just the smoking man and vanishing babies for
elevennine seasons.i mean i haven't rewatched xfiles since the 90s but isn't that more of a victim of being a transition between monster of the week episodic and season long story arcs?
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Curious - do you feel a lot of reboots have missed the mark?
I'm starting to feel the opposite, where a lot of reboots are way better than the original.
Nu Trek has been consistently awful.
only SNW has come close to anything that feels like the spirit of trek
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Also TV now:
Murder mystery.
"Comedy" that's all about murder mystery.
Depressing drama.
Drama about murder.
Murder comedy that's mostly just drama.
Documentary about murder.
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Curious - do you feel a lot of reboots have missed the mark?
I'm starting to feel the opposite, where a lot of reboots are way better than the original.
The 'Lost In Space" reboot was amazing. They took everything that was dumb in the original show and made it smart. Then they took the one really good thing [Dr. Smith] and made them fantastic.
