And they even get a seizure when you take their ipads away
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Totally agree!
I see the problem more in the parents. First, that these kids can use the iPad so much and second, that they can just consume on it. Like you said: Create, build and explore. Use the iPad, not get used by the iPad.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The thing that would scare me the most is that the parents don't even know that such things are possible on their devices
Maybe my opinion of others is low, but I find it highly unbelievable most would even realize that something like programming is understandable, or tinkering around with music, or other stuff along those veins. Maybe drawing is still realistic though
But that would just go to show that there's a lack of all of this in the first place, even for parents
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That’s too many kids. Poor things can’t get the parental attention they need
you're preaching to the choir dude
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Thank you for saying this. I used to judge parents of kids on screens until I had my own. You never know what's going on and there's a chance that the 30 minutes of quiet that family is getting from the iPad is the only peace they've had all day.
I mean there's other things besides brain rot. Also people did raise kids prior to iPads.
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I have friends with kids like that, and it’s scary. I’m obviously a fan of technology, but critical thinking might go down the drain if children spend all day in front of a screen at such a young age.
I genuinely think there should be a legal limit to when children are allowed independent access to JavaScript & Internet enabled technology. I would suggest twelve years.
Having it be law would remove probably the biggest reason children are drawn to technology initially today: social pressure and anxiety.
I didn't grow up with anything like this (and I'm pretty young... or I was at some point) and thank fucking God I didn't. I barely read today as it is, instead wasting time with screens and YouTube and shit like that; I'm happy I had the opportunity to consume hours and hours of time with reading as a child. Not just reading: I learned basically every knot that exists (I still have my copy of Ashley's Book of Knots), learned an absurd amount of physics (with textbooks! for fun! I wouldn't, couldn't, do that today), learned to program and use Minix (ok, that was highschool, so a little later), and even got into Marxism.
These are all opportunities I don't think I could replicate today, because I don't get bored in the same way today. Now, if I'm bored, I automatically look at my phone (...lemmy...), or open YouTube, or do something else equally stupid. I didn't have that option when I was young. We didn't even own a TV. I was forced to do interesting things, and I'm really happy I was, because I'd be an exceedingly illiterate boring moron if I hadn't read those novels and learned how the universe worked and understood why capitalism sucks.
Maybe I'm yelling at clouds and people will become interesting through other means, but it really frightens me how much dumber I've become. I don't want to imagine how much harder it will be for masses of gen Z and Alpha.
Ok, I feel like I got a little off topic there. Rant over...
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I mean there's other things besides brain rot. Also people did raise kids prior to iPads.
Yes, parenting existed before iPads. That doesn't imply that everything they used to do to cope with similar situations was correct, or better. Previous generations of parents used to do things that would terrify us now.
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It's easy to judge from like 30 minutes in public, until you have an autistic kid and no support network.
Yes, before the existence of iPads, autistic children could do nothing except scream and seize on the floor. Yep. Thank God we have iPads now, there is literally no other way to handle autistic children.
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App suggestions make it so hard to keep kids away from slop. I started out only letting my toddler watch PBS Kids programs and a few other educational programs, but then your kids start seeing suggestions for all sorts of shlock, and they want to see the show with the superhero kitties is (it's called Super Kitties and it is garbage). God help you if you try to watch something on YouTube; every suggested video is either low-quality home movies of people playing with toys (which is like crack to toddlers or weird shit like this that absolutely shouldn't be on YouTube Kids but often is anyway.
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Yes, before the existence of iPads, autistic children could do nothing except scream and seize on the floor. Yep. Thank God we have iPads now, there is literally no other way to handle autistic children.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I mean, you're kinda being a dick... it's a better than my parents generations response to being autistic. Jesus lol, trust me.
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App suggestions make it so hard to keep kids away from slop. I started out only letting my toddler watch PBS Kids programs and a few other educational programs, but then your kids start seeing suggestions for all sorts of shlock, and they want to see the show with the superhero kitties is (it's called Super Kitties and it is garbage). God help you if you try to watch something on YouTube; every suggested video is either low-quality home movies of people playing with toys (which is like crack to toddlers or weird shit like this that absolutely shouldn't be on YouTube Kids but often is anyway.
Ted Ed, Vsauce, CGP Grey.
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Yes, before the existence of iPads, autistic children could do nothing except scream and seize on the floor. Yep. Thank God we have iPads now, there is literally no other way to handle autistic children.
Before modern era, they used to do lobotomies and lock up kids that are neurodivergent
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Yes, before the existence of iPads, autistic children could do nothing except scream and seize on the floor. Yep. Thank God we have iPads now, there is literally no other way to handle autistic children.
Jesus Christ...
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Yes, before the existence of iPads, autistic children could do nothing except scream and seize on the floor. Yep. Thank God we have iPads now, there is literally no other way to handle autistic children.
No, keep proudly displaying your ignorance. We've got time.
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Well chosen character, sorry if that's you.
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Baby shark do do dooodododoododo
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App suggestions make it so hard to keep kids away from slop. I started out only letting my toddler watch PBS Kids programs and a few other educational programs, but then your kids start seeing suggestions for all sorts of shlock, and they want to see the show with the superhero kitties is (it's called Super Kitties and it is garbage). God help you if you try to watch something on YouTube; every suggested video is either low-quality home movies of people playing with toys (which is like crack to toddlers or weird shit like this that absolutely shouldn't be on YouTube Kids but often is anyway.
Set YouTube kid to only show selected channels. My kid is actually bored of youtube now.
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Mechanisms of manipulation and control are getting more and more sophisticated and it's really fucking sad.
Its like watching someone overdose. It sucks. And we don't have language about it, even shitty language, like we do for drugs, so it's hard to even talk to people about.
we have it. but its too technical and people seem to have developed an aversion to technical sounding things.
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App suggestions make it so hard to keep kids away from slop. I started out only letting my toddler watch PBS Kids programs and a few other educational programs, but then your kids start seeing suggestions for all sorts of shlock, and they want to see the show with the superhero kitties is (it's called Super Kitties and it is garbage). God help you if you try to watch something on YouTube; every suggested video is either low-quality home movies of people playing with toys (which is like crack to toddlers or weird shit like this that absolutely shouldn't be on YouTube Kids but often is anyway.
So don't give a tablet then. Or if you do, don't have Apps like that. Get an wifi only android tablet, install VLC and specific shows and games. Real games and real shows. Not short form shit or bs mobile "games".
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Set YouTube kid to only show selected channels. My kid is actually bored of youtube now.
Holy shit, I did not know you could do that. That is going to be life changing.
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So don't give a tablet then. Or if you do, don't have Apps like that. Get an wifi only android tablet, install VLC and specific shows and games. Real games and real shows. Not short form shit or bs mobile "games".
I don't give him a tablet, he only watches at home on TV (or a phone on very long car trips). I don't know a toddler parent that has the time to download a curated media library for their kids, and even if you do have the time, things like that fall apart eventually. My wife and I managed to avoid most crap TV until we wound up in a hotel room with two dead phones and a fussy toddler, and that's when we finally caved and put on Nick Jr. For a while, we managed to convince him that Paw Patrol was only available in hotels, but eventually he saw the thumbnail for it when we were trying to show him Dora the Explorer, and that beautiful lie finally died.
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I don't give him a tablet, he only watches at home on TV (or a phone on very long car trips). I don't know a toddler parent that has the time to download a curated media library for their kids, and even if you do have the time, things like that fall apart eventually. My wife and I managed to avoid most crap TV until we wound up in a hotel room with two dead phones and a fussy toddler, and that's when we finally caved and put on Nick Jr. For a while, we managed to convince him that Paw Patrol was only available in hotels, but eventually he saw the thumbnail for it when we were trying to show him Dora the Explorer, and that beautiful lie finally died.
Paw Patrol is a regular length cartoon with a real, albeit basic, plot. I'm talking Cocomelon or Five Finger Family or other short form shit.
I don’t know a toddler parent that has the time to download a curated media library for their kids
No. Curating what your child consumes, both dietary and cultural, is the basic requirement raising a child. It takes very little tech skills to download files and load them on a device. Even just an old school portable dvd player and a disc wallet is preferable. The point isn't to cut all media, but to cut the short form shit the drains attention. Even a show with a plot that takes ~22 minute to get to the end teaches some degree of patience.
