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The EU is requesting feedback on how to protect democracy and combat misinformation

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  • N [email protected]

    That's certainly nice, but it's mostly irrelevant in the long run without a more serious remedy to the issues the far right uses to gain legitimacy.

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    #9

    I beg to differ. Countries that use pr have much higher voter turnout and perform better on every issue thus reducing the chances of the people feeling frustrated and voting in fascists in hope of change.

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    • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]

      I beg to differ. Countries that use pr have much higher voter turnout and perform better on every issue thus reducing the chances of the people feeling frustrated and voting in fascists in hope of change.

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      #10

      That's definitely true, but then again AfD got the highest number of seats in Germany's last election for example. PR is nice but not much more than a bandaid if your politicians are crooks, which let's face it they are.

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      • N [email protected]

        That's definitely true, but then again AfD got the highest number of seats in Germany's last election for example. PR is nice but not much more than a bandaid if your politicians are crooks, which let's face it they are.

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        wrote on last edited by
        #11

        People in Germany need to vote for better parties and the centre and left parties need to make better decisions when in power, however that is not the fault of pr. It is one of many important reforms democracies need to make. One reason why the AfD has gotten so far is because of the Germans’ reliance on Twitter with Elon Musk manipulating the platform to give AfD artificial public support in the election thus reinforcing the band wagon effect.

        At least in Germany you can see how much popular support the AfD have instead of them lurking behind the 2 big parties and that’s great transparency to have in democracy. The people have more viable choices on the ballot instead of just having 2 choices.

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        • C [email protected]

          Ban X, Ban TikTok

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          wrote on last edited by
          #12

          Fund Mastodon, Loops and Friendica.

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            #13

            second largest.

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            • A [email protected]

              use your voice

              If you are concerned about people being influenced by Russia, the US, and China, be it via Facebook, Reddit, TikTok, local ads, or whatever else, if you are concerned about that friend who suddenly started spouting anti-EU rhetoric from Youtube, if you're unhappy with how the EU and member states have handled it so far, this is for you.

              EU citizens can respond and it would be in our interest to do so too.

              It will take 10 minutes if you're quick, longer if you want to leave comments on each point. There are 4 points with up to 4 sub points, each comment can be 3500 characters long.

              You can respond in any of the 24 European languages, so if English is not your preferred language, use your mother tongue.
              If you are part of a community in your EU mother tongue, share a link to this in your mother tongue.

              Here are the supported languages:

              • bg български
              • cs čeština
              • da dansk
              • de Deutsch
              • el Ελληνικά
              • en English
              • es español
              • et eesti
              • fi suomi
              • fr français
              • ga Gaeilge
              • hr hrvatski
              • hu Magyar
              • it Italiano
              • lt lietuvių kalba
              • lv latviešu valoda
              • mt Malti
              • nl Nederlands
              • pl polski
              • pt Português
              • ro română
              • sk slovenčina
              • sl slovenščina
              • sv svenska
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              wrote on last edited by
              #14

              How are they sure russian bots are not responding to those questions ?

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              • A [email protected]

                use your voice

                If you are concerned about people being influenced by Russia, the US, and China, be it via Facebook, Reddit, TikTok, local ads, or whatever else, if you are concerned about that friend who suddenly started spouting anti-EU rhetoric from Youtube, if you're unhappy with how the EU and member states have handled it so far, this is for you.

                EU citizens can respond and it would be in our interest to do so too.

                It will take 10 minutes if you're quick, longer if you want to leave comments on each point. There are 4 points with up to 4 sub points, each comment can be 3500 characters long.

                You can respond in any of the 24 European languages, so if English is not your preferred language, use your mother tongue.
                If you are part of a community in your EU mother tongue, share a link to this in your mother tongue.

                Here are the supported languages:

                • bg български
                • cs čeština
                • da dansk
                • de Deutsch
                • el Ελληνικά
                • en English
                • es español
                • et eesti
                • fi suomi
                • fr français
                • ga Gaeilge
                • hr hrvatski
                • hu Magyar
                • it Italiano
                • lt lietuvių kalba
                • lv latviešu valoda
                • mt Malti
                • nl Nederlands
                • pl polski
                • pt Português
                • ro română
                • sk slovenčina
                • sl slovenščina
                • sv svenska
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                #15

                10 mins? damn you guys are fast. it took me that time just to realize there is a document.

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                • C [email protected]

                  10 mins? damn you guys are fast. it took me that time just to realize there is a document.

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #16

                  "Give feedback" takes you to the form and "Go to consultation" takes you to a page about the questionnaire and more information, then you can click on "Respond to questionnaire". Both paths get you there.

                  The questionnaire says the same as the PDF document.

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                  • V [email protected]

                    How are they sure russian bots are not responding to those questions ?

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #17

                    Because they need to create an account tied to an EU identity?

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                    • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                      France uses the second-round system.

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      For presidential elections, yes. For other elections it is proportional. They should use ranked choice for presidential elections but that's not going to happen in the 5th republic. It'll need another revolution or constitutional change to fix their system.

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                        Ban X, Ban TikTok

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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #19

                        If you're a European, do fill in the questionnaire and make that comment! The more the merrier.

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                        • A [email protected]

                          "Give feedback" takes you to the form and "Go to consultation" takes you to a page about the questionnaire and more information, then you can click on "Respond to questionnaire". Both paths get you there.

                          The questionnaire says the same as the PDF document.

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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #20

                          Yeah I figured it out eventually. My dumb ass thought initialIy that i need to write into that comment box on the initial page.

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                          • A [email protected]

                            For presidential elections, yes. For other elections it is proportional. They should use ranked choice for presidential elections but that's not going to happen in the 5th republic. It'll need another revolution or constitutional change to fix their system.

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #21

                            They should definitely use the single transferable vote for presidential elections.

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                            • A [email protected]

                              Because they need to create an account tied to an EU identity?

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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #22

                              I just registered with random email and password and can fill the survey. So how it's tied to EU identity ?

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                              • A [email protected]

                                If you're a European, do fill in the questionnaire and make that comment! The more the merrier.

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #23

                                I’m European first but Swiss second, so not an EU citizen unfortunately.

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                                  Ban X, Ban TikTok

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #24

                                  enforce the disinformation fines first and force corrections with the same impact on the same publishing media

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                                    Ban X, Ban TikTok

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #25

                                    Make european replacements. So under eu law.

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                                      use your voice

                                      If you are concerned about people being influenced by Russia, the US, and China, be it via Facebook, Reddit, TikTok, local ads, or whatever else, if you are concerned about that friend who suddenly started spouting anti-EU rhetoric from Youtube, if you're unhappy with how the EU and member states have handled it so far, this is for you.

                                      EU citizens can respond and it would be in our interest to do so too.

                                      It will take 10 minutes if you're quick, longer if you want to leave comments on each point. There are 4 points with up to 4 sub points, each comment can be 3500 characters long.

                                      You can respond in any of the 24 European languages, so if English is not your preferred language, use your mother tongue.
                                      If you are part of a community in your EU mother tongue, share a link to this in your mother tongue.

                                      Here are the supported languages:

                                      • bg български
                                      • cs čeština
                                      • da dansk
                                      • de Deutsch
                                      • el Ελληνικά
                                      • en English
                                      • es español
                                      • et eesti
                                      • fi suomi
                                      • fr français
                                      • ga Gaeilge
                                      • hr hrvatski
                                      • hu Magyar
                                      • it Italiano
                                      • lt lietuvių kalba
                                      • lv latviešu valoda
                                      • mt Malti
                                      • nl Nederlands
                                      • pl polski
                                      • pt Português
                                      • ro română
                                      • sk slovenčina
                                      • sl slovenščina
                                      • sv svenska
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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #26

                                      I did my part!

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                                        use your voice

                                        If you are concerned about people being influenced by Russia, the US, and China, be it via Facebook, Reddit, TikTok, local ads, or whatever else, if you are concerned about that friend who suddenly started spouting anti-EU rhetoric from Youtube, if you're unhappy with how the EU and member states have handled it so far, this is for you.

                                        EU citizens can respond and it would be in our interest to do so too.

                                        It will take 10 minutes if you're quick, longer if you want to leave comments on each point. There are 4 points with up to 4 sub points, each comment can be 3500 characters long.

                                        You can respond in any of the 24 European languages, so if English is not your preferred language, use your mother tongue.
                                        If you are part of a community in your EU mother tongue, share a link to this in your mother tongue.

                                        Here are the supported languages:

                                        • bg български
                                        • cs čeština
                                        • da dansk
                                        • de Deutsch
                                        • el Ελληνικά
                                        • en English
                                        • es español
                                        • et eesti
                                        • fi suomi
                                        • fr français
                                        • ga Gaeilge
                                        • hr hrvatski
                                        • hu Magyar
                                        • it Italiano
                                        • lt lietuvių kalba
                                        • lv latviešu valoda
                                        • mt Malti
                                        • nl Nederlands
                                        • pl polski
                                        • pt Português
                                        • ro română
                                        • sk slovenčina
                                        • sl slovenščina
                                        • sv svenska
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                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #27

                                        To have true democracy, we need bans on coorporate lobbying and coorperate financing of campaigns.
                                        Until then, nearly every major party will be bought up by corporate interests.

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                                        • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                          The investment in a social democracy/ social safety it ultimately what is safeguarding Europe, because it precludes the motivations/ grievances which create surface area for misinformation to operate on. Its not that it isn't possible, it just has a much more difficult time taking hold.

                                          The UK is a great example of this, where they seem religiously committed to austerity as the approach for addressing most issues; this gave rise to grievance politics because, well, austerity does hurt people; grievance politics gives misinformation something to operate on (its the continents fault); brexxit happens; life gets worse; misinformation gains an even further foothold because now its premise has been validated, and there is even more grievance to operate on.

                                          Grievance is the scar tissue which misinformation operates upon. Misinformation is the bacteria which spread and cause death, but without the wound of grievance, there is nothing to do. Creates strong mechanisms for grievances to be addressed (engaged democratic processes; responsive governance).

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                                          The investment in a social democracy/ social safety it ultimately what is safeguarding Europe, because it precludes the motivations/ grievances which create surface area for misinformation to operate on. Its not that it isn’t possible, it just has a much more difficult time taking hold.

                                          The UK is a great example of this, where they seem religiously committed to austerity as the approach for addressing most issues; this gave rise to grievance politics because, well, austerity does hurt people; grievance politics gives misinformation something to operate on (its the continents fault); brexxit happens; life gets worse; misinformation gains an even further foothold because now its premise has been validated, and there is even more grievance to operate on.

                                          Grievance is the scar tissue which misinformation operates upon. Misinformation is the bacteria which spread and cause death, but without the wound of grievance, there is nothing to do. Creates strong mechanisms for grievances to be addressed (engaged democratic processes; responsive governance).

                                          Whatever actual or perceived grievances a person may have (even though merely being born in Europe already constitutes winning the global class lottery) - that only ever causes vulnurability.
                                          That person then turning to actively undermining democratic systems and the international community is something that only happens if some con artist uses that vulnurability to convince the person that it constitutes a solution to their problems.

                                          Universal wealth and happiness are nice, but the immediate, separate and and more solveable issue is not microphones and political offices to con artists. Letting folk get scammed out of their vote is just as detrimental to a healthy society as letting folk get scammed out of their life savings - if not more.

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