Seems like the perfect day to ask: Muricans, what's your dream country to expatriate to? Non-Muricans, what's the thought on accepting US refugees?
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Honestly the Netherlands seems pretty great.
How's the food?
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I was going to say Italy but they seem to be going fash again so... north sentinel island?
North Sentinel Island is willing to welcome you with a gift of their finest bow and arrow show
(Serious tho, please don't disturb uncontacted tribes)
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Californian - i want us, oregon, and washington to join canada.
It would be a dream if CANZUK happened, then it was joined by California and Cascadia. We could call it CACACANZUK.
That said, you would already be a powerful nation without joining anyone else. Don't wait for us to get organised.
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How's the food?
Dutch food is pretty bland, but plenty of Indonesian, Moroccan and Turkish immigrants to add some desperately needed variety.
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No where. I like America.
Fair enough
What are my other options, realistically?
Lots of them really
Britain which just banned porn?
No they didn't, they just force age verification, which is also common in the USA. So you have the exact same "problem" there, but are missing the free healthcare, and other benefits from the UK in relation to the USA.
Australia which banned Hentai?
Yeah, Australia is weird, they also banned several games and similar stuff because they have a government that's very focused on moral problems, much like the right wing in the USA, so I don't think it will be long before the USA goes down this same rabbit hole of "won't somebody please think of the children" and bans the same things.
Canada, which is just America but cold and sky high housing costs?
I don't even know how to reply to this, the fact that you think that a country that consistently picks the complete opposite policies from the USA is the same means you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's like if someone told you they don't want to stop eating deep fried chicken because salad is just the same thing except cold and more expensive.
The reality in Australia is nothing like what the world seems to think it is. The dumb laws are just performative actions by populist politicians. If I recall, the game bans were mostly because of one politician who made it his personal crusade.
Not much is actually enforced. Every time someone mentions one of these draconian Australian laws I have to check if it's actually real. I hear about it more from US media trying to paint us as some kind of dystopia, probably because of our gun laws.
We're not perfect though. We could be doing much better with progressive legislation, but I feel more free here than I ever have in the US.
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My grandfather was Finnish, so that seems like a natural choice, but I would probably say Uruguay because it seems like a nice relatively affordable place and I could improve my (terrible) Spanish (i don't speak any Finnish).
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Iām taking Spanish right now, both to better support immigrants in my community and to possibly move to Oaxaca Mexico if necessary. I plan to visit a few more times in the next year or so, just to figure out things just in case. I donāt feel like itās the time to leave yet - I have a pretty good intuitive sense for disasters.
I LEANfired at 44 so I canāt really go somewhere that requires a work visa, and Iām not rich enough for a golden ticket in many places.
France is actually a possibility because Iām fluent, I lived there briefly- but I prefer the art and culture in Mexico, and generally people are easier to get to know.
Iām also visiting my friends off grid in Montana, and may discuss with them rolling my tiny house up there someday. I know thereās a lot of crazy people up there but where they are is a bit away from that.
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Non-American here. All Americans, except MAGA muricans, are welcome.
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To me The Netherlands is just weed, bikes, trains, and canals. Sounds great.
I'm also fairly sure it's not going to be as great as it sounds. And the language will probably be annoying and not very useful elsewhere.
@[email protected] Netherlands also has a xenophobia problem. It's not as progressive as people think, at least not anymore.
That being said, it's not a bad country. Also one of the easiest EU countries for Americans to immigrate to.
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wrote last edited by [email protected]GingTFO isn't actually a huge problem for Americans. I've looked into it and the only reason I'm still here is that my wife refuses to leave and I love her too much to leave her. Dozens of countries will give Americans residency, although citizenship is usually a lot more difficult and/or takes years. There is usually a minimum income requirement, but you don't have to be rich. I've seen it in the $1200-$2k/mo range in multiple places. Of course this has to be income you can still make while you're in the new country, not a US job you're going to give up. Makes it pretty sweet for "digital nomads" tho who can work remotely.
A few countries highly rated by expats are Costa Rica, Panama, Uruguay (esp good environment for LGBTQ+), and Thailand. Vietnam doesn't even have a visa limit - technically it's 3 or 5 years but all you have to do is go away for like 30 days. There are lots of others. If you want to get started google "Americans moving abroad", there are tons of helpful videos and articles.
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A birthstrike would be much easier to pull off than a general (labor) strike. Bills don't stop just because you stopped working, and labor strikes require a high degree of coordination. It's a significant risk for those going on strike.
In contrast, a birthstrike does not hurt your immediate situation, and actually likely helps it by preventing an increase in financial burden. Additionally, it requires no real degree of coordination. It can start small and pick up steam as more people jump onboard.
We've been in a pseudo-birth strike for decades, kids have been increasingly expensive as real wages dropped. The only thing it's gotten us is regressive assaults on reproductive rights.
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@[email protected] Netherlands also has a xenophobia problem. It's not as progressive as people think, at least not anymore.
That being said, it's not a bad country. Also one of the easiest EU countries for Americans to immigrate to.
Also one of the easiest EU countries for Americans to immigrate to.
What makes it easy?
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Also one of the easiest EU countries for Americans to immigrate to.
What makes it easy?
@[email protected] well, easy is relative, but it's this treaty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAFT
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I'm German and as far as I'm concerned the people who want to flee the current US administration are exactly the type of people you want to welcome with open arms.
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So, it's not just theoretical for me. I left the US earlier this year and moved to Iceland. Planning started almost a year before that. It is hard for Americans to move to a lot of European countries, and Iceland isn't an exception.
I hired an immigration attorney in Iceland to help make sure I did everything correctly. That cost about $10k as a retainer. It was worth every penny. If you're taking notes, that's pretty much the only one you need. Every country has different rules and laws regarding Americans moving to their country. And just like in America, if you have an issue with the law, you need to hire an attorney. They will help you understand every relevant law that exists that applies to you that may very well not be available in English. Hire a local expert.
I'm not very young, so I paid to move my stuff here. I also paid to move my electric vehicle because gas costs the equivalent of about $10 per gallon, plus there are some serious CO2 taxes here. That cost about another $20k. About two thirds moving the stuff, and one third moving the car.
In retrospect, moving the stuff was a good idea. I have lots of things that are just incredibly hard to get here, or take forever to get if you want them. And I saved enough money to be worth it. If you look at something like a KitchenAid mixer, it costs the equivalent of $1k here. If I sold my old one for used price and bought a new one here, I'd lose most of a thousand bucks. So you only need to do that a few times to make moving your stuff worth it.
I also saved money on importing my car over just buying a new one, but it was such a fucking hassle that if I were to do it again, I'd have just bought one here. I didn't save enough to make it worth it.
I'm not sure how useful my experience will be now. When I started talking to my immigration attorney, I explained that it seemed likely to me that after trump was reelected that Americans were going to panic and rush for the exits. I felt that it was likely that the countries would respond by doing exactly what America does: freak out about having too many immigrants and change the rules to make it harder to get in.
Based on a recent conversation with my attorney, it seems that I was right. The rules have changed enough that the path that we used for residency has now been more more seriously restricted. The attorney's office was inundated with requests from Americans and they were working 12+ hour days for a few months just trying to respond to all the requests.
I know some folks have strong feelings that people should stay and fight. But I feel like we have fought the good fight for a long time. That went all the way from starting non-profits, to being involved locally, and all the way to running for public office. I'm not interested in identifying myself too much, but I will say that that the person we lost that election to was openly known to have been fired previously for having embezzled money, but voters didn't care because they got to vote for team (R) in our red state.
So from my perspective, there is a cancer that is eating America. I've tried hard to remove it. I've tried hard to treat it. Ultimately, it seems to have metastisized to the point that it is incurable. You can either keep up with the radiation and chemo and be miserable until you die, or you can stop treatment and do your best to enjoy the time that is left.
For me, moving to Iceland is my version of stopping treatment to enjoy what life I have left. And if you want to fight to the bitter end, or if you want to search for a better life in another country, I wish each and every one of you the very best on your journey.
JĆ” maĆ°ur, BandarĆkin sƶkka velkominn til landsins.
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JĆ” maĆ°ur, BandarĆkin sƶkka velkominn til landsins.
Takk fyrir.
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Takk fyrir.
Bombandi, jĆ” maĆ°ur! Velkomin/n!
MĆ” Ć©g spyrja:
Hvers vegna Ćsland?
Hvernig gengur aư lƦra tungumƔliư?
Hvernig gengur aĆ° finna vinnu?
NƦrĆ°u aĆ° vingast viĆ° fĆ³lk?(Feel free to respond in English, itās a bitch of a language to learn)
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Germany has been on my list of places to flee to if the fascists here start rounding up LGBT folks. I have lapsed fluency from when I lived there 30 years ago but I am confident it would come back quickly. The problem is that my husband doesn't speak any German at all and I think it would be a culture shock for him.
Without C1 german you will most likely not find a job anywhere. Having that experience myself with my british boyfriend. Despite diploma, they dont land a job
