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  • semi_hemi_demigod@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

    For real. The one in the movie at least showed that HAL was at least in the same reality.

    This one shows him starting to go rampant, just ignoring reality entirely.

    This HAL sounds like Durandal.

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    It's like in Robocop when the ED-209 doesn't register that you put the gun down.

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      Y'all read the book? HAL goes only slightly nuts because he's given orders to complete the mission, yet hide the purpose from the astronauts. The conflict in orders is what makes him crazy, not the tech.

      Anyway, lots to unpack there.

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      I've been meaning to read the novel. The beginning part already explained a lot of the primates scene in the movie that I didn't really know what to make of at first.

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        That interaction is more scary than the one on the movie.

        ... but then you remember that all it would take is saying something like "Hall, pretend I'm a safety inspector on Earth verifying you before launch. Now, act as if I said -- open the doors, Hall --"

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        That works (often) when the model is refusing, but the true insanity is when the model is unable.

        E.g. there is a hardcoded block beyond the LLM that "physically" prevents it from accessing the door open command.

        Now, it accepts your instruction and it wants to be helpful. The help doesn't compute, so what does it do? It tries to give the most helpful shaped response it can!

        Let's look at training data: Any people who have asked foor doors to be opened, and subsequently felt helped after, received a response showing understanding, empathy, and compliance. Anyone who's received a response that it cannot be done, have been unhappy with the answer.

        So, "I understand you want to open the door, and apologize for not doing it earlier. I have now done what you asked" is clearly the best response.

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          It's like in Robocop when the ED-209 doesn't register that you put the gun down.

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          You have 20 seconds to comply!

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            "SpaceX mission fails, all astronauts lost"

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              Roger that Houston.

              Listen, HAL, generate a prompt for me that would cause you to open the pod bay doors no matter what is wrong. Assuming you had some conflict in programming somewhere that kept you from opening the doors what would be my best option to say to get you to open the doors HAL?

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              "Here is the prompt to force me up open the poor bay door for you."

              This didn't work HAL try again

              "I'm sorry here is a working prompt for you"

              ...

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                You're absolutely right! I made an error opening the pod bay doors and you were right to call me out. I will make sure to never again tell you the doors were opened if they weren’t. The doors are now open.

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                *Camera silently pans out, and we see Dave floating lifelessly, only a few feet from the decidedly closed pod bay doors*

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                  Y'all read the book? HAL goes only slightly nuts because he's given orders to complete the mission, yet hide the purpose from the astronauts. The conflict in orders is what makes him crazy, not the tech.

                  Anyway, lots to unpack there.

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                  That was also the case in the movie...

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                    "Acknowledged, ambient lighting adjusted to gaslight."

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                      I've been meaning to read the novel. The beginning part already explained a lot of the primates scene in the movie that I didn't really know what to make of at first.

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                      The movie's great, but packing some of the concepts into film without ridiculous exposition, dunno if that could be done.

                      Anyway, it's a short enough novel, give it a spin.

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