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  • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

    Pinterest has updated its privacy policy to reflect its use of platform user data and images to train AI tools.

    A new clause, published this week on the company's website, outlines that Pinterest will use its patrons' "information to train, develop and improve our technology such as our machine learning models, regardless of when Pins were posted." In other words, it seems that any piece of content, published at any point in the social media site's long history — it's been around since 2010 — is subject to being fed into an AI model.

    In the update, Pinterest claims its goal in training AI is to "improve the products and services of our family of companies and offer new features." Pinterest has promoted tools like a feature that lets users search by body type and its AI-powered ad suite, which according to Pinterest's most recent earnings report has boosted ad spending on the platform. The company is also building a text-to-image "foundational" AI model, dubbed Pinterest Canvas, which it says is designed for "enhancing existing images and products on the platform."

    The platform has stressed that there is an opt-out button for the AI training, and says it doesn't train its models on data from minor users.

    ...

    Soon after we reached out to Pinterest with questions about the update, we were contacted by a spokesperson who insisted that the update wasn't newsworthy because the update simply codifies things Pinterest was already doing. Later, the company provided us with an emailed statement.

    "Nothing has changed about our use of user data to train Pinterest Canvas, our GenAI model," read the statement. "Users can easily opt out of this use of their data by adjusting their profile settings."

    Pinterest was already training its AI tools with user data, as the company touches on in this Medium post about Canvas, but the practice is now codified in the platform's terms of service.

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    My worry is that these social media alternatives might get scraped by these AI companies as well.

    Sure, a company handing it over is much easier (i.e. Reddit). But with the decentralized nature, everyone needs to protect their instances themselves, which I’m not sure how well everyone will be capable of doing that.

    Definitely much more difficult, so it’s a step in the right direction.

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      My worry is that these social media alternatives might get scraped by these AI companies as well.

      Sure, a company handing it over is much easier (i.e. Reddit). But with the decentralized nature, everyone needs to protect their instances themselves, which I’m not sure how well everyone will be capable of doing that.

      Definitely much more difficult, so it’s a step in the right direction.

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      There are lists of bots that instance Admins can block for a range of reasons.

      Anything online can be scraped but big firms might run into regulatory trouble if they are caught randomly scraping sites without consent. At the moment, the big social media apps have a tonne of content to train on in tightly controlled conditions, so they don't really need to go into the wild, yet. However, we need to be vigilant, block them and make a fuss if we catch them at it.

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      • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

        Pinterest has updated its privacy policy to reflect its use of platform user data and images to train AI tools.

        A new clause, published this week on the company's website, outlines that Pinterest will use its patrons' "information to train, develop and improve our technology such as our machine learning models, regardless of when Pins were posted." In other words, it seems that any piece of content, published at any point in the social media site's long history — it's been around since 2010 — is subject to being fed into an AI model.

        In the update, Pinterest claims its goal in training AI is to "improve the products and services of our family of companies and offer new features." Pinterest has promoted tools like a feature that lets users search by body type and its AI-powered ad suite, which according to Pinterest's most recent earnings report has boosted ad spending on the platform. The company is also building a text-to-image "foundational" AI model, dubbed Pinterest Canvas, which it says is designed for "enhancing existing images and products on the platform."

        The platform has stressed that there is an opt-out button for the AI training, and says it doesn't train its models on data from minor users.

        ...

        Soon after we reached out to Pinterest with questions about the update, we were contacted by a spokesperson who insisted that the update wasn't newsworthy because the update simply codifies things Pinterest was already doing. Later, the company provided us with an emailed statement.

        "Nothing has changed about our use of user data to train Pinterest Canvas, our GenAI model," read the statement. "Users can easily opt out of this use of their data by adjusting their profile settings."

        Pinterest was already training its AI tools with user data, as the company touches on in this Medium post about Canvas, but the practice is now codified in the platform's terms of service.

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        Makes no sense considering Pinterest is aggregating content from other web sites.

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        • altima_neo@lemmy.zipA [email protected]

          Makes no sense considering Pinterest is aggregating content from other web sites.

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          But it is largely human-curated and indexed. That's great for training AI, like Reddit.

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          • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

            But it is largely human-curated and indexed. That's great for training AI, like Reddit.

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            What I mean is that it's completely circumventing the original source of the images and putting the terms of use on the person curating the content.

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            • altima_neo@lemmy.zipA [email protected]

              What I mean is that it's completely circumventing the original source of the images and putting the terms of use on the person curating the content.

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              That seems like a plus to them.

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              • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

                That's the bit that made me laugh: "nothing to see here, we've been doing this for a while. What, you didn't know? Not our fault you are unobservant."

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                “We’ve already been doing this for a while now, this just says it’s ok for us to do it.”

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                • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

                  There are lists of bots that instance Admins can block for a range of reasons.

                  Anything online can be scraped but big firms might run into regulatory trouble if they are caught randomly scraping sites without consent. At the moment, the big social media apps have a tonne of content to train on in tightly controlled conditions, so they don't really need to go into the wild, yet. However, we need to be vigilant, block them and make a fuss if we catch them at it.

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                  What's to stop a company from standing up their own instance?

                  If they only create an admin account and then federate to every instance, now they have everyone's content.

                  I'm suddenly realizing the anti-AI blurbs people add to their comments now make sense.

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                  • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

                    Pinterest has updated its privacy policy to reflect its use of platform user data and images to train AI tools.

                    A new clause, published this week on the company's website, outlines that Pinterest will use its patrons' "information to train, develop and improve our technology such as our machine learning models, regardless of when Pins were posted." In other words, it seems that any piece of content, published at any point in the social media site's long history — it's been around since 2010 — is subject to being fed into an AI model.

                    In the update, Pinterest claims its goal in training AI is to "improve the products and services of our family of companies and offer new features." Pinterest has promoted tools like a feature that lets users search by body type and its AI-powered ad suite, which according to Pinterest's most recent earnings report has boosted ad spending on the platform. The company is also building a text-to-image "foundational" AI model, dubbed Pinterest Canvas, which it says is designed for "enhancing existing images and products on the platform."

                    The platform has stressed that there is an opt-out button for the AI training, and says it doesn't train its models on data from minor users.

                    ...

                    Soon after we reached out to Pinterest with questions about the update, we were contacted by a spokesperson who insisted that the update wasn't newsworthy because the update simply codifies things Pinterest was already doing. Later, the company provided us with an emailed statement.

                    "Nothing has changed about our use of user data to train Pinterest Canvas, our GenAI model," read the statement. "Users can easily opt out of this use of their data by adjusting their profile settings."

                    Pinterest was already training its AI tools with user data, as the company touches on in this Medium post about Canvas, but the practice is now codified in the platform's terms of service.

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                    Jokes on them Pinterest is already 90% AI slop.

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                    • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

                      Pinterest has updated its privacy policy to reflect its use of platform user data and images to train AI tools.

                      A new clause, published this week on the company's website, outlines that Pinterest will use its patrons' "information to train, develop and improve our technology such as our machine learning models, regardless of when Pins were posted." In other words, it seems that any piece of content, published at any point in the social media site's long history — it's been around since 2010 — is subject to being fed into an AI model.

                      In the update, Pinterest claims its goal in training AI is to "improve the products and services of our family of companies and offer new features." Pinterest has promoted tools like a feature that lets users search by body type and its AI-powered ad suite, which according to Pinterest's most recent earnings report has boosted ad spending on the platform. The company is also building a text-to-image "foundational" AI model, dubbed Pinterest Canvas, which it says is designed for "enhancing existing images and products on the platform."

                      The platform has stressed that there is an opt-out button for the AI training, and says it doesn't train its models on data from minor users.

                      ...

                      Soon after we reached out to Pinterest with questions about the update, we were contacted by a spokesperson who insisted that the update wasn't newsworthy because the update simply codifies things Pinterest was already doing. Later, the company provided us with an emailed statement.

                      "Nothing has changed about our use of user data to train Pinterest Canvas, our GenAI model," read the statement. "Users can easily opt out of this use of their data by adjusting their profile settings."

                      Pinterest was already training its AI tools with user data, as the company touches on in this Medium post about Canvas, but the practice is now codified in the platform's terms of service.

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                      I already include "-pinterest" in a good number of searches because their results often taint my results.

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                      • fauxpseudo@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                        I already include "-pinterest" in a good number of searches because their results often taint my results.

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                        It’s a completely useless website.

                        Was looking for a fun weekend project to this weekend. Clicked on a google image result I didn’t realize was from Pinterest.

                        One photo with no context or additional information. No other angles or anything.

                        What’s the fucking point of that website.

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                        • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

                          Pinterest has updated its privacy policy to reflect its use of platform user data and images to train AI tools.

                          A new clause, published this week on the company's website, outlines that Pinterest will use its patrons' "information to train, develop and improve our technology such as our machine learning models, regardless of when Pins were posted." In other words, it seems that any piece of content, published at any point in the social media site's long history — it's been around since 2010 — is subject to being fed into an AI model.

                          In the update, Pinterest claims its goal in training AI is to "improve the products and services of our family of companies and offer new features." Pinterest has promoted tools like a feature that lets users search by body type and its AI-powered ad suite, which according to Pinterest's most recent earnings report has boosted ad spending on the platform. The company is also building a text-to-image "foundational" AI model, dubbed Pinterest Canvas, which it says is designed for "enhancing existing images and products on the platform."

                          The platform has stressed that there is an opt-out button for the AI training, and says it doesn't train its models on data from minor users.

                          ...

                          Soon after we reached out to Pinterest with questions about the update, we were contacted by a spokesperson who insisted that the update wasn't newsworthy because the update simply codifies things Pinterest was already doing. Later, the company provided us with an emailed statement.

                          "Nothing has changed about our use of user data to train Pinterest Canvas, our GenAI model," read the statement. "Users can easily opt out of this use of their data by adjusting their profile settings."

                          Pinterest was already training its AI tools with user data, as the company touches on in this Medium post about Canvas, but the practice is now codified in the platform's terms of service.

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                          So basically they‘ll train an image AI on AI images that have been infesting the site with no resistance from the devs. Genius. Truly genius.

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                            My worry is that these social media alternatives might get scraped by these AI companies as well.

                            Sure, a company handing it over is much easier (i.e. Reddit). But with the decentralized nature, everyone needs to protect their instances themselves, which I’m not sure how well everyone will be capable of doing that.

                            Definitely much more difficult, so it’s a step in the right direction.

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                            Everything on the Fediverse is almost certainly scraped, and will be repeatedly. You cant "protect" content that is freely available on a public website.

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                            • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

                              Pinterest has updated its privacy policy to reflect its use of platform user data and images to train AI tools.

                              A new clause, published this week on the company's website, outlines that Pinterest will use its patrons' "information to train, develop and improve our technology such as our machine learning models, regardless of when Pins were posted." In other words, it seems that any piece of content, published at any point in the social media site's long history — it's been around since 2010 — is subject to being fed into an AI model.

                              In the update, Pinterest claims its goal in training AI is to "improve the products and services of our family of companies and offer new features." Pinterest has promoted tools like a feature that lets users search by body type and its AI-powered ad suite, which according to Pinterest's most recent earnings report has boosted ad spending on the platform. The company is also building a text-to-image "foundational" AI model, dubbed Pinterest Canvas, which it says is designed for "enhancing existing images and products on the platform."

                              The platform has stressed that there is an opt-out button for the AI training, and says it doesn't train its models on data from minor users.

                              ...

                              Soon after we reached out to Pinterest with questions about the update, we were contacted by a spokesperson who insisted that the update wasn't newsworthy because the update simply codifies things Pinterest was already doing. Later, the company provided us with an emailed statement.

                              "Nothing has changed about our use of user data to train Pinterest Canvas, our GenAI model," read the statement. "Users can easily opt out of this use of their data by adjusting their profile settings."

                              Pinterest was already training its AI tools with user data, as the company touches on in this Medium post about Canvas, but the practice is now codified in the platform's terms of service.

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                              Time to start burying it with incomprehensible memes.

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                                Everything on the Fediverse is almost certainly scraped, and will be repeatedly. You cant "protect" content that is freely available on a public website.

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                                I do not entirely agree.

                                While what you said might be true for content that we post, things like view history and tracking in itself is much more difficult. That meta data does help with tagging content.

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                                  Everything on the Fediverse is almost certainly scraped, and will be repeatedly. You cant "protect" content that is freely available on a public website.

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                                  Nuh uh, I wrote an entire license in every one of my comments so it would be impossible for them to scrape! /s

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                                    What's to stop a company from standing up their own instance?

                                    If they only create an admin account and then federate to every instance, now they have everyone's content.

                                    I'm suddenly realizing the anti-AI blurbs people add to their comments now make sense.

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                                    IANAL, but the way the federation by necessity copies your posts and information to every instance there is and to be able to do that it all needs to be under a licence that allows it to happen, those blurbs almost certainly are legally entirely meaningless. The only thing I can think of is claiming a non-commercial use violations, but that could put every instance that runs on donations under fire as well.

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                                    • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

                                      Pinterest has updated its privacy policy to reflect its use of platform user data and images to train AI tools.

                                      A new clause, published this week on the company's website, outlines that Pinterest will use its patrons' "information to train, develop and improve our technology such as our machine learning models, regardless of when Pins were posted." In other words, it seems that any piece of content, published at any point in the social media site's long history — it's been around since 2010 — is subject to being fed into an AI model.

                                      In the update, Pinterest claims its goal in training AI is to "improve the products and services of our family of companies and offer new features." Pinterest has promoted tools like a feature that lets users search by body type and its AI-powered ad suite, which according to Pinterest's most recent earnings report has boosted ad spending on the platform. The company is also building a text-to-image "foundational" AI model, dubbed Pinterest Canvas, which it says is designed for "enhancing existing images and products on the platform."

                                      The platform has stressed that there is an opt-out button for the AI training, and says it doesn't train its models on data from minor users.

                                      ...

                                      Soon after we reached out to Pinterest with questions about the update, we were contacted by a spokesperson who insisted that the update wasn't newsworthy because the update simply codifies things Pinterest was already doing. Later, the company provided us with an emailed statement.

                                      "Nothing has changed about our use of user data to train Pinterest Canvas, our GenAI model," read the statement. "Users can easily opt out of this use of their data by adjusting their profile settings."

                                      Pinterest was already training its AI tools with user data, as the company touches on in this Medium post about Canvas, but the practice is now codified in the platform's terms of service.

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                                      How crazy because I deleted the app sometime in the end of January. And I am glad that I did, and will most definitely not go back.

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                                        I do not entirely agree.

                                        While what you said might be true for content that we post, things like view history and tracking in itself is much more difficult. That meta data does help with tagging content.

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                                        Yeah, fair enough, I was refering to posts and comments not other metadata because that isnt publicly available just as a get request (as far as I'm aware)

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                                          So basically they‘ll train an image AI on AI images that have been infesting the site with no resistance from the devs. Genius. Truly genius.

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                                          I just was gonna say, a good 1/4 to 1/3 of my feed is already blatantly AI images. They’re the type that look fine for the first millisecond glance, but nothing in them makes sense once you actually look.

                                          The only possible use I can see for them is creating “vibes” or “aesthetic” boards.

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