Uh, yeah. That rings a bell.
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I'm so enslaved! Waaahhh!
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I'm so enslaved! Waaahhh!
You really don't see what's happening around you?
Let me just make sure we're on the same page with a little maths problem: you have nine people and a Nazi eating dinner at the table together. How many Nazis are at the table?
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You really don't see what's happening around you?
Let me just make sure we're on the same page with a little maths problem: you have nine people and a Nazi eating dinner at the table together. How many Nazis are at the table?
With what you said 1. Someone doesn't have to be a good person, or be right, to coexist. Sitting at the same table as Pol Pot or Hitler isn't enabling them.
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With what you said 1. Someone doesn't have to be a good person, or be right, to coexist. Sitting at the same table as Pol Pot or Hitler isn't enabling them.
It sure is enabling my right to think you're enabling them. Unless you leave the table once you know who you're sitting with, I'm judging you. Hard.
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It sure is enabling my right to think you're enabling them. Unless you leave the table once you know who you're sitting with, I'm judging you. Hard.
What is the point of leaving the table?
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With what you said 1. Someone doesn't have to be a good person, or be right, to coexist. Sitting at the same table as Pol Pot or Hitler isn't enabling them.
If you sit with someone, and they say "death to all Jews", and you DON'T immediately argue or leave - you are accepting their beliefs as valid.
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If you sit with someone, and they say "death to all Jews", and you DON'T immediately argue or leave - you are accepting their beliefs as valid.
No you're not. That's just fundamentally untrue. You're accepting their beliefs if you repeat after them.
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What is the point of leaving the table?
So that you aren't around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don't want to be around Nazis. Their beliefs are abhorrent. "Abhorrent" means "So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it". From everything you've been saying though, you don't find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable. I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don't know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is "yeah but if I can get something in return then it's cool".
That's what "work with" these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won't compromise on the mass murder, so that means you'll have to.
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So that you aren't around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don't want to be around Nazis. Their beliefs are abhorrent. "Abhorrent" means "So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it". From everything you've been saying though, you don't find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable. I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don't know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is "yeah but if I can get something in return then it's cool".
That's what "work with" these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won't compromise on the mass murder, so that means you'll have to.
So that you aren’t around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don’t want to be around Nazis.
I don't want to be around a Nazi, but I also won't inherently be against it. I'd rather be friends with a Nazi who's fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to. That in no way is an endorsement of their beliefs, and to believe it is the same kind of perversion of tolerance that they usually believe in.
Their beliefs are abhorrent. “Abhorrent” means “So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it”. From everything you’ve been saying though, you don’t find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable.
Were they to be enacted they absolutely are.
I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don’t know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is “yeah but if I can get something in return then it’s cool”.
Where did I say that?
That’s what “work with” these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won’t compromise on the mass murder, so that means you’ll have to.
I really don't know what you mean by "work with". You were the one who brought it up. The discussion was about eating dinner with a Nazi. So when you first said it I thought you literally meant like a coworker who's a Nazi. If you mean working with a Nazi to advance Nazi goals, that's a very different thing. And of course I wouldn't do that- but its not what the discussion is about.
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No you're not. That's just fundamentally untrue. You're accepting their beliefs if you repeat after them.
No, that's agreeing.
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No, that's agreeing.
Then you accept the beliefs of Nazis by your definition. After all, you haven't killed any yet.
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Then you accept the beliefs of Nazis by your definition. After all, you haven't killed any yet.
That's not my definition. That's you trying to deflect.
No, i neither argue with them of GTFO, like I said.
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That's not my definition. That's you trying to deflect.
No, i neither argue with them of GTFO, like I said.
I do argue with Nazis. Why do you continue to let them exist.
That’s you trying to deflect.
That's me saying you have a different definition to accept from me. I consider accepting a belief to be believing the belief is acceptable and sane. I do not accept nazism.
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So that you aren’t around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don’t want to be around Nazis.
I don't want to be around a Nazi, but I also won't inherently be against it. I'd rather be friends with a Nazi who's fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to. That in no way is an endorsement of their beliefs, and to believe it is the same kind of perversion of tolerance that they usually believe in.
Their beliefs are abhorrent. “Abhorrent” means “So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it”. From everything you’ve been saying though, you don’t find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable.
Were they to be enacted they absolutely are.
I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don’t know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is “yeah but if I can get something in return then it’s cool”.
Where did I say that?
That’s what “work with” these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won’t compromise on the mass murder, so that means you’ll have to.
I really don't know what you mean by "work with". You were the one who brought it up. The discussion was about eating dinner with a Nazi. So when you first said it I thought you literally meant like a coworker who's a Nazi. If you mean working with a Nazi to advance Nazi goals, that's a very different thing. And of course I wouldn't do that- but its not what the discussion is about.
I'd rather be friends with a Nazi who's fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to.
Disgusting, absurd and unrealistic. I can't imagine compromising on my beliefs simply for... what... entertainment??
"Oh, well, he'd like to kill all the non-whites, but he told a good joke one time."
Seriously, you must have a severely broken moral compass to think like this.
But even putting all that aside, I can't imagine a Nazi ever being "fun to talk to". Fun for them is beating up ethnic minorities. Jokes to them are bullying those who are different.
And you'd just happily nod along to their racist statements about ethnic minorities? Really? Simply because Jim the non-Nazi is, like, a bit boring?
Idk about you, but i consider the moral sanctity of my soul to be far more important than a few minutes of entertainment - which, tbh, I likely wouldn't even enjoy.
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I do argue with Nazis. Why do you continue to let them exist.
That’s you trying to deflect.
That's me saying you have a different definition to accept from me. I consider accepting a belief to be believing the belief is acceptable and sane. I do not accept nazism.
Why are you arguing with me, then, when all I said was that you shouldn't accept being in the presence of their beliefs? Based on your most recent comments you seem to agree... so what are we doing here? And why are you trying to catch me in some gotcha based on a statement I never made?
And no, accepting a belief means not challenging it, implicitly treating it as normal.
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I'd rather be friends with a Nazi who's fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to.
Disgusting, absurd and unrealistic. I can't imagine compromising on my beliefs simply for... what... entertainment??
"Oh, well, he'd like to kill all the non-whites, but he told a good joke one time."
Seriously, you must have a severely broken moral compass to think like this.
But even putting all that aside, I can't imagine a Nazi ever being "fun to talk to". Fun for them is beating up ethnic minorities. Jokes to them are bullying those who are different.
And you'd just happily nod along to their racist statements about ethnic minorities? Really? Simply because Jim the non-Nazi is, like, a bit boring?
Idk about you, but i consider the moral sanctity of my soul to be far more important than a few minutes of entertainment - which, tbh, I likely wouldn't even enjoy.
I can’t imagine compromising on my beliefs simply for… what… entertainment??
Where did I compromise on my beliefs?
“Oh, well, he’d like to kill all the non-whites, but he told a good joke one time.”
Seriously, you must have a severely broken moral compass to think like this.
I mean did you see what I said about literally explicitly being okay with being friends with a murderer. If you're actually curious about why I think like that: I think people are much more multifaceted than most people give credit for. They're molded by their environment, habits they fall into. I think behaviors and beliefs are closer to habits, or sometimes addictions, to ways of thinking than they are fixed elements of a "personality" or "identity". I think there are probably many killers who were genuinely sweet, and kind, and caring, to their friends and family- and when they're like that, that's just as much them as when they're doing genuinely evil things. I can see the human while also not enabling the evil.
But even putting all that aside, I can’t imagine a Nazi ever being “fun to talk to”. Fun for them is beating up ethnic minorities. Jokes to them are bullying those who are different.
Yea I agree their sense of humor is often really bad. "N-word == funny" type stuff. But there might be some some actually funny ones. Also the worst thing is how they always want to bring everything back to the jews. Like I can think a movie is bad without wanting to hear a 10 minute rant about how the jews control Hollywood.
And you’d just happily nod along to their racist statements about ethnic minorities?
Where did I say that?
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You only enslave yourself by learning to do absolutely nothing against what you see as oppressive.
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Why are you arguing with me, then, when all I said was that you shouldn't accept being in the presence of their beliefs? Based on your most recent comments you seem to agree... so what are we doing here? And why are you trying to catch me in some gotcha based on a statement I never made?
And no, accepting a belief means not challenging it, implicitly treating it as normal.
Why are you arguing with me, then, when all I said was that you shouldn’t accept being in the presence of their beliefs?
Okay, so you agree you can accept a person as a human and a friend without accepting their beliefs? Because that's what I'm saying
And no, accepting a belief means not challenging it, implicitly treating it as normal.
I wouldn't really agree with that only because its just not your job. You don't have a responsibility with burdening yourself with constantly correcting others.
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I can’t imagine compromising on my beliefs simply for… what… entertainment??
Where did I compromise on my beliefs?
“Oh, well, he’d like to kill all the non-whites, but he told a good joke one time.”
Seriously, you must have a severely broken moral compass to think like this.
I mean did you see what I said about literally explicitly being okay with being friends with a murderer. If you're actually curious about why I think like that: I think people are much more multifaceted than most people give credit for. They're molded by their environment, habits they fall into. I think behaviors and beliefs are closer to habits, or sometimes addictions, to ways of thinking than they are fixed elements of a "personality" or "identity". I think there are probably many killers who were genuinely sweet, and kind, and caring, to their friends and family- and when they're like that, that's just as much them as when they're doing genuinely evil things. I can see the human while also not enabling the evil.
But even putting all that aside, I can’t imagine a Nazi ever being “fun to talk to”. Fun for them is beating up ethnic minorities. Jokes to them are bullying those who are different.
Yea I agree their sense of humor is often really bad. "N-word == funny" type stuff. But there might be some some actually funny ones. Also the worst thing is how they always want to bring everything back to the jews. Like I can think a movie is bad without wanting to hear a 10 minute rant about how the jews control Hollywood.
And you’d just happily nod along to their racist statements about ethnic minorities?
Where did I say that?
Where did I compromise on my beliefs?
Having a "fun" conversation with a nazi
I mean did you see what I said about literally explicitly being okay with being friends with a murderer. If you're actually curious about why I think like that: I think people are much more multifaceted than most people give credit for. They're molded by their environment, habits they fall into. I think behaviors and beliefs are closer to habits, or sometimes addictions, to ways of thinking than they are fixed elements of a "personality" or "identity". I think there are probably many killers who were genuinely sweet, and kind, and caring, to their friends and family- and when they're like that, that's just as much them as when they're doing genuinely evil things. I can see the human while also not enabling the evil.
Well that's all very sweet, how nice of you to be so kind to murderers.
But whatever, I just don't care - you are not beholden to be kind to someone just because they are multifaceted and complete humans. Humans can be evil, and if even one of those "facets" is murdering or a desire for genocide, I have every right to disagree with that. I do not owe anyone my time, or my patience.
And so fucking what if they're molded by their environment and experiences? Why should I give even the slightest shit if the end result of the molding process was a FUCKING NAZI? I've had bad experiences with ethnic minorities and didn't blame it on their heritage or skin colour. Why should I let them off the hook?
Yea I agree their sense of humor is often really bad. "N-word == funny" type stuff. But there might be some some actually funny ones.
Funny if you're racist. And again, I do not have to wade through a mile of shit and corpses just because there might be a slice of cake at the end. I am allowed to say "no, fuck off".
Also the worst thing is how they always want to bring everything back to the jews. Like I can think a movie is bad without wanting to hear a 10 minute rant about how the jews control Hollywood.
Yet another reason not to talk to them outside of berating them.
Where did I say that?
Like I already said: when you said you'd prefer a "fun" nazi to someone else "boring", and implied by you taking issue with me saying you should either argue or leave. This implies you'd prefer to stay and not argue. And if you're not arguing with them or leaving, what are you doing? Standing completely still with no words or body language of your own? No, you're engaging in the conversation.
