Uh, yeah. That rings a bell.
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Your trolling aside, we all share a personal responsibility to not buy from companies that e.g. utilize cobalt/lithium in their products - slavery/child labor is rampant in those supply chains and Apple et. al are responsible for supporting it.
If there was no demand, these children wouldn't be forced to work in mines - it's that simple.
If there was no demand, these children wouldn't be forced to work in mines - it's that simple.
setting aside the difficulty of quantifying demand, this is still an unprovable statement. you can't prove a counterfactual.
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If there was no demand, these children wouldn't be forced to work in mines - it's that simple.
setting aside the difficulty of quantifying demand, this is still an unprovable statement. you can't prove a counterfactual.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]If these countries were given the ingredients to be able to develop and there was no outside demand for mined materials, these children wouldn't be in the mines.
Big if, but less of an "if" if more people are made aware. It's absolutely sickening how much we rely on lithium considering how it is sourced.
We are collectively enabling modern slavery and child slavery. These corporations prefer to act innocent because they aren't sending the children themselves into the mines, but they buy the materials they mine regardless (and there's no way that they don't know the reality). Many corporations profit off the back of these people and children and they should be required to pay significant reparations.
What is in our power to stop this? We can spread the awareness of our exploitation of third-world countries - including their children, we can develop technologies that don't rely on rare materials or difficult to mine materials, we can employ automation to mine what we do need in first-world countries, and we can hold the corporations that profit from these supply chains accountable.
There are battery technologies (e.g. sodium-ion) that we could grasp and avoid mining altogether for energy storage. China is proving that sodium-ion batteries are a very promising technology, even in cars, and the sodium can be sourced from seawater or from the byproducts of desalination (the latter which likely needs to be very quickly scaled considering the fresh water crisis).
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Okay, so you agree you can accept a person as a human and a friend without accepting their beliefs?
Misleading question. If their "differing belief" is that God created the Earth, or that crystals have healing magic, then whatever. They can be kooky if they want. If their "differing belief" is that only whites deserve to live, they can get fucked.
I wouldn't really agree with that only because its just not your job. You don't have a responsibility with burdening yourself with constantly correcting others.
What a deliciously convenient excuse for not challenging your nazi friends. "It's not my job!!"
It's also "not your job" to queue properly, to put shopping trolleys back in the corral, or to obey traffic laws. You do it anyway, though, because it is the right thing to do. I don't have to be employed for every little thing i do.
But hey, let's try your logic: it is not my job to ensure that every little racist feels accepted and understood. It's not my responsibility to coddle Nazis.
Well it is your responsibility in some ways to not intentionally mistreat others. But I agree your job isn't to talk to racists. I never tried to tell you it was. I did tell you someone can talk to racists without being a racist themselves though.
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Where did I compromise on my beliefs?
Having a "fun" conversation with a nazi
I mean did you see what I said about literally explicitly being okay with being friends with a murderer. If you're actually curious about why I think like that: I think people are much more multifaceted than most people give credit for. They're molded by their environment, habits they fall into. I think behaviors and beliefs are closer to habits, or sometimes addictions, to ways of thinking than they are fixed elements of a "personality" or "identity". I think there are probably many killers who were genuinely sweet, and kind, and caring, to their friends and family- and when they're like that, that's just as much them as when they're doing genuinely evil things. I can see the human while also not enabling the evil.
Well that's all very sweet, how nice of you to be so kind to murderers.
But whatever, I just don't care - you are not beholden to be kind to someone just because they are multifaceted and complete humans. Humans can be evil, and if even one of those "facets" is murdering or a desire for genocide, I have every right to disagree with that. I do not owe anyone my time, or my patience.
And so fucking what if they're molded by their environment and experiences? Why should I give even the slightest shit if the end result of the molding process was a FUCKING NAZI? I've had bad experiences with ethnic minorities and didn't blame it on their heritage or skin colour. Why should I let them off the hook?
Yea I agree their sense of humor is often really bad. "N-word == funny" type stuff. But there might be some some actually funny ones.
Funny if you're racist. And again, I do not have to wade through a mile of shit and corpses just because there might be a slice of cake at the end. I am allowed to say "no, fuck off".
Also the worst thing is how they always want to bring everything back to the jews. Like I can think a movie is bad without wanting to hear a 10 minute rant about how the jews control Hollywood.
Yet another reason not to talk to them outside of berating them.
Where did I say that?
Like I already said: when you said you'd prefer a "fun" nazi to someone else "boring", and implied by you taking issue with me saying you should either argue or leave. This implies you'd prefer to stay and not argue. And if you're not arguing with them or leaving, what are you doing? Standing completely still with no words or body language of your own? No, you're engaging in the conversation.
Having a “fun” conversation with a nazi
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But whatever, I just don’t care - you are not beholden to be kind to someone just because they are multifaceted and complete humans. Humans can be evil, and if even one of those “facets” is murdering or a desire for genocide, I have every right to disagree with that. I do not owe anyone my time, or my patience.
I agree, you don't have to. But just because you choose not to, doesn't make me a nazi if I choose to. That was what this was about, it was never about forcing you.
Funny if you’re racist.
Again they have the capacity to say stuff outside that.
And again, I do not have to wade through a mile of shit and corpses just because there might be a slice of cake at the end. I am allowed to say “no, fuck off”.
And again where did I try to change your mind on that?
Like I already said: when you said you’d prefer a “fun” nazi to someone else “boring”, and implied by you taking issue with me saying you should either argue or leave. This implies you’d prefer to stay and not argue. And if you’re not arguing with them or leaving, what are you doing? Standing completely still with no words or body language of your own? No, you’re engaging in the conversation.
You understand that nazis talk about a weather too? I would do the same as I do with everyone. Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with, but also have the capacity to talk about other stuff.
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Well it is your responsibility in some ways to not intentionally mistreat others. But I agree your job isn't to talk to racists. I never tried to tell you it was. I did tell you someone can talk to racists without being a racist themselves though.
If you don't challenge their racism, you're just accepting it.
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Having a “fun” conversation with a nazi
Next paragraph explains
But whatever, I just don’t care - you are not beholden to be kind to someone just because they are multifaceted and complete humans. Humans can be evil, and if even one of those “facets” is murdering or a desire for genocide, I have every right to disagree with that. I do not owe anyone my time, or my patience.
I agree, you don't have to. But just because you choose not to, doesn't make me a nazi if I choose to. That was what this was about, it was never about forcing you.
Funny if you’re racist.
Again they have the capacity to say stuff outside that.
And again, I do not have to wade through a mile of shit and corpses just because there might be a slice of cake at the end. I am allowed to say “no, fuck off”.
And again where did I try to change your mind on that?
Like I already said: when you said you’d prefer a “fun” nazi to someone else “boring”, and implied by you taking issue with me saying you should either argue or leave. This implies you’d prefer to stay and not argue. And if you’re not arguing with them or leaving, what are you doing? Standing completely still with no words or body language of your own? No, you’re engaging in the conversation.
You understand that nazis talk about a weather too? I would do the same as I do with everyone. Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with, but also have the capacity to talk about other stuff.
Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with
First time you've said anything remotely like that. Why not say this sooner?
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If you don't challenge their racism, you're just accepting it.
We already talked about this
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Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with
First time you've said anything remotely like that. Why not say this sooner?
Because that's me being an argumentative person, I don't think someone has an obligation to, to prove to external observers they're not a nazi. That's also not their job.
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Because that's me being an argumentative person, I don't think someone has an obligation to, to prove to external observers they're not a nazi. That's also not their job.
Is that the way you think? You only argue with people to prove who you are to observers, or if it's your job?
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Is that the way you think? You only argue with people to prove who you are to observers, or if it's your job?
I argue with people for a lot of reasons. I an saying no one has an inherent obligation to argue with anyone.
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I argue with people for a lot of reasons. I an saying no one has an inherent obligation to argue with anyone.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's not an inherent obligation, but if you genuinely oppose those ideas, you'd feel compelled to argue against them if someone expressed them, or else remove yourself from the situation ASAP
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It's not an inherent obligation, but if you genuinely oppose those ideas, you'd feel compelled to argue against them if someone expressed them, or else remove yourself from the situation ASAP
You're saying you would, I explained why others might not feel the same way, and still genuinely oppose them
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You're saying you would, I explained why others might not feel the same way, and still genuinely oppose them
You can't genuinely oppose something and tolerate it at the same time, that's a contradiction
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You can't genuinely oppose something and tolerate it at the same time, that's a contradiction
I don't agree with that
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I don't agree with that
Then I suppose we disagree on what "oppose" or "tolerate" mean