Uh, yeah. That rings a bell.
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Well it is your responsibility in some ways to not intentionally mistreat others. But I agree your job isn't to talk to racists. I never tried to tell you it was. I did tell you someone can talk to racists without being a racist themselves though.
If you don't challenge their racism, you're just accepting it.
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Having a “fun” conversation with a nazi
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But whatever, I just don’t care - you are not beholden to be kind to someone just because they are multifaceted and complete humans. Humans can be evil, and if even one of those “facets” is murdering or a desire for genocide, I have every right to disagree with that. I do not owe anyone my time, or my patience.
I agree, you don't have to. But just because you choose not to, doesn't make me a nazi if I choose to. That was what this was about, it was never about forcing you.
Funny if you’re racist.
Again they have the capacity to say stuff outside that.
And again, I do not have to wade through a mile of shit and corpses just because there might be a slice of cake at the end. I am allowed to say “no, fuck off”.
And again where did I try to change your mind on that?
Like I already said: when you said you’d prefer a “fun” nazi to someone else “boring”, and implied by you taking issue with me saying you should either argue or leave. This implies you’d prefer to stay and not argue. And if you’re not arguing with them or leaving, what are you doing? Standing completely still with no words or body language of your own? No, you’re engaging in the conversation.
You understand that nazis talk about a weather too? I would do the same as I do with everyone. Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with, but also have the capacity to talk about other stuff.
Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with
First time you've said anything remotely like that. Why not say this sooner?
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If you don't challenge their racism, you're just accepting it.
We already talked about this
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Make it clear I disagree with what I disagree with
First time you've said anything remotely like that. Why not say this sooner?
Because that's me being an argumentative person, I don't think someone has an obligation to, to prove to external observers they're not a nazi. That's also not their job.
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Because that's me being an argumentative person, I don't think someone has an obligation to, to prove to external observers they're not a nazi. That's also not their job.
Is that the way you think? You only argue with people to prove who you are to observers, or if it's your job?
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Is that the way you think? You only argue with people to prove who you are to observers, or if it's your job?
I argue with people for a lot of reasons. I an saying no one has an inherent obligation to argue with anyone.
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I argue with people for a lot of reasons. I an saying no one has an inherent obligation to argue with anyone.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's not an inherent obligation, but if you genuinely oppose those ideas, you'd feel compelled to argue against them if someone expressed them, or else remove yourself from the situation ASAP
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It's not an inherent obligation, but if you genuinely oppose those ideas, you'd feel compelled to argue against them if someone expressed them, or else remove yourself from the situation ASAP
You're saying you would, I explained why others might not feel the same way, and still genuinely oppose them
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You're saying you would, I explained why others might not feel the same way, and still genuinely oppose them
You can't genuinely oppose something and tolerate it at the same time, that's a contradiction
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You can't genuinely oppose something and tolerate it at the same time, that's a contradiction
I don't agree with that
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I don't agree with that
Then I suppose we disagree on what "oppose" or "tolerate" mean