The fucking comments on here are insane.
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Yeah, I concur. When I learned I wasn't allowed to speak there, I simply blocked it and moved on. They can have whatever rules they want. No one is obligated to be there.
On the flip side, I can see it being irksome to click a post and have your comment be deleted because you didn't notice that community it was or didn't read every rule for every community.
I'll wager the vast majority of users don't read community rules until they run afoul of one. Personally, I just shrug it off and move on, it's not like whining about it is going to make an entire community change it's rules to accommodate you.
Eh, irkers can sit down. It's long been a thing about paying attention to community rules before posting, and if you don't and violate them, you don't get to whinge.
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Yeah, I concur. When I learned I wasn't allowed to speak there, I simply blocked it and moved on. They can have whatever rules they want. No one is obligated to be there.
On the flip side, I can see it being irksome to click a post and have your comment be deleted because you didn't notice that community it was or didn't read every rule for every community.
I'll wager the vast majority of users don't read community rules until they run afoul of one. Personally, I just shrug it off and move on, it's not like whining about it is going to make an entire community change it's rules to accommodate you.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I feel based on the name of the community, some rules would be obvious. But a "absolutely nothing from you, male scum" isn't obvious.
I posted one there yesterday or this morning, haven't checked on it, but it's probably deleted now. No harm no foul. It wasn't meant to break a rule, and they can do what they want. But I would've never even known if not for this post.
But I will be blocking the sub now. Both because I'm apparently not welcome, and because I will probably accidentally do it again otherwise.
Edit: It wasn't that sub after checking. Phew. One less toxic place to be.
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I feel based on the name of the community, some rules would be obvious. But a "absolutely nothing from you, male scum" isn't obvious.
I posted one there yesterday or this morning, haven't checked on it, but it's probably deleted now. No harm no foul. It wasn't meant to break a rule, and they can do what they want. But I would've never even known if not for this post.
But I will be blocking the sub now. Both because I'm apparently not welcome, and because I will probably accidentally do it again otherwise.
Edit: It wasn't that sub after checking. Phew. One less toxic place to be.
I feel based on the name of the community, some rules would be obvious. But a “absolutely nothing from you, male scum” isn’t obvious.
Rules…
Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Anyone under the trans umbrella (e.g. non-binary, bigender, agender) is free to decide whether a women’s community is a good fit for them.
I understand, you're a man, you have an opinion, and being told 'no' just won't cut it, will it?
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The fucking comments on here are insane. It's not a private comm, and pretty much every comment that's been deleted for being posted by a male user was because they explicitly stated they were male. As in started off a comment (usually on women's issues) with "as a guy..."
Go on a linux forum and post "as a windows user..."
Go on PC gamers and post "as a console gamer..."
Would have a problem with being told "this is not for you" then? No, you wouldn't. You're literally just not used to being told it's not your turn to speak. Get over it.
And to those who demand it be taken off all: fucking learn how to curate your own experience. Skip over or block it the same way you would other communities that have nothing for you
Facts right here. Learn how to let people have their own space. Sometimes a thing isn't meant for you, and that's okay.
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The fucking comments on here are insane. It's not a private comm, and pretty much every comment that's been deleted for being posted by a male user was because they explicitly stated they were male. As in started off a comment (usually on women's issues) with "as a guy..."
Go on a linux forum and post "as a windows user..."
Go on PC gamers and post "as a console gamer..."
Would have a problem with being told "this is not for you" then? No, you wouldn't. You're literally just not used to being told it's not your turn to speak. Get over it.
And to those who demand it be taken off all: fucking learn how to curate your own experience. Skip over or block it the same way you would other communities that have nothing for you
wrote last edited by [email protected]Go on a linux forum and post “as a windows user…”
Go on PC gamers and post “as a console gamer…”
Would have a problem with being told “this is not for you” then? No, you wouldn’t.
This is a terrible example, because yes absolutely I would indeed consider the mods to be militant over-the-top a-holes if they deleted and blocked all comments just because they were from Windows or console users.
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I feel based on the name of the community, some rules would be obvious. But a “absolutely nothing from you, male scum” isn’t obvious.
Rules…
Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Anyone under the trans umbrella (e.g. non-binary, bigender, agender) is free to decide whether a women’s community is a good fit for them.
I understand, you're a man, you have an opinion, and being told 'no' just won't cut it, will it?
Did you miss the first 9 words you quoted or something? Seems like you're misrepresenting what was said in quite a profound way.
OP claims it's not obvious from the title; you claim it's obvious from the rules; Both of these statements can be true at the same time.
Also, now that they're aware, they've blocked the community to prevent any engagement... Can you explain how that translates to them not accepting the situation?
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Eh, irkers can sit down. It's long been a thing about paying attention to community rules before posting, and if you don't and violate them, you don't get to whinge.
To be fair the vast, vast majority of the rules are simply common sense stuff. If you are not an asshole, you can avoid reading community rules and in 99% of case you won't violate any.
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The fucking comments on here are insane. It's not a private comm, and pretty much every comment that's been deleted for being posted by a male user was because they explicitly stated they were male. As in started off a comment (usually on women's issues) with "as a guy..."
Go on a linux forum and post "as a windows user..."
Go on PC gamers and post "as a console gamer..."
Would have a problem with being told "this is not for you" then? No, you wouldn't. You're literally just not used to being told it's not your turn to speak. Get over it.
And to those who demand it be taken off all: fucking learn how to curate your own experience. Skip over or block it the same way you would other communities that have nothing for you
wrote last edited by [email protected]You're literally just not used to being told it's not your turn to speak.
I respect their rules on that community as browsing Everything (Sync) it shows up for me fairly regularly and I haven't had any issues.
I reject the part I literally quoted.
I care about precision in communication and fighting against entropic decay in how we communicate so I feel compelled to respond to this quote.
I am a male and because of that I have no turn to speak there so you are flat out wrong. It will never be my turn. It is inaccurate what you are saying.
Please consider reframing what you said.
and using literally there makes your error much more egregious, literally
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You're literally just not used to being told it's not your turn to speak.
I respect their rules on that community as browsing Everything (Sync) it shows up for me fairly regularly and I haven't had any issues.
I reject the part I literally quoted.
I care about precision in communication and fighting against entropic decay in how we communicate so I feel compelled to respond to this quote.
I am a male and because of that I have no turn to speak there so you are flat out wrong. It will never be my turn. It is inaccurate what you are saying.
Please consider reframing what you said.
and using literally there makes your error much more egregious, literally
Mate, i'm ASD and saying dial it back.
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I feel based on the name of the community, some rules would be obvious. But a "absolutely nothing from you, male scum" isn't obvious.
I posted one there yesterday or this morning, haven't checked on it, but it's probably deleted now. No harm no foul. It wasn't meant to break a rule, and they can do what they want. But I would've never even known if not for this post.
But I will be blocking the sub now. Both because I'm apparently not welcome, and because I will probably accidentally do it again otherwise.
Edit: It wasn't that sub after checking. Phew. One less toxic place to be.
"Women only..trans women are women, and gender critical talk isn't allowed. Anyone under the trans umbrella (eg non-binary, bigender, agender) is free to decide whether a woman's community is a good fit for them"
Literally does not say "male scum", that's something you've invented entirely. Wonder why that's your response.
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Go on a linux forum and post “as a windows user…”
Go on PC gamers and post “as a console gamer…”
Would have a problem with being told “this is not for you” then? No, you wouldn’t.
This is a terrible example, because yes absolutely I would indeed consider the mods to be militant over-the-top a-holes if they deleted and blocked all comments just because they were from Windows or console users.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Consider what the word "majority" means and how that impacts the balance of such discussions. Especially on a platform where people vote on each other's comments.
In the Linux forum example, the occasional "as a Windows user..." comment isn't a problem, but it does become one when it makes up 80-90% of comments / visitors. Try to understand how this shapes a community when the relatively few directly affected people (for whom the community was created in the first place) are annoyed by this and stop contributing.
This is why you need both kinds of spaces, and why it's silly and short-sighted to get mad over this policy.
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I feel based on the name of the community, some rules would be obvious. But a "absolutely nothing from you, male scum" isn't obvious.
I posted one there yesterday or this morning, haven't checked on it, but it's probably deleted now. No harm no foul. It wasn't meant to break a rule, and they can do what they want. But I would've never even known if not for this post.
But I will be blocking the sub now. Both because I'm apparently not welcome, and because I will probably accidentally do it again otherwise.
Edit: It wasn't that sub after checking. Phew. One less toxic place to be.
wrote last edited by [email protected]"male scum" oof. Maybe cool it a little with the self-victimization, friend.
If you genuinely don't understand why it's helpful to have both kinds of spaces and not something to get mad about, I'm happy to explain. But some good-faith effort on your part is required.
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The fucking comments on here are insane. It's not a private comm, and pretty much every comment that's been deleted for being posted by a male user was because they explicitly stated they were male. As in started off a comment (usually on women's issues) with "as a guy..."
Go on a linux forum and post "as a windows user..."
Go on PC gamers and post "as a console gamer..."
Would have a problem with being told "this is not for you" then? No, you wouldn't. You're literally just not used to being told it's not your turn to speak. Get over it.
And to those who demand it be taken off all: fucking learn how to curate your own experience. Skip over or block it the same way you would other communities that have nothing for you
You’re literally just not used to being told it’s not your turn to speak. Get over it.
Isn't the goal to move past this behavior when based on immutable qualities rather than merit? The ethical value of a reverse country club model is pretty controversial.
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So as a guy on some men only subreddit, I also welcomed the opinion of women while expecting them to clarify.
So you're ok with a community defining how it wants people outside its demographic to interact with it?
Also you literally do not have to interact with the community. No one is shoving it in your face or demanding you join and then going HAHAHHAHA PSYCH you can literally just scroll past it.
No other publically visible community has posts that I find interesting but am not allowed to interact with.
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Mate, i'm ASD and saying dial it back.
I'm not ASD and saying nobody cares about your diagnosis.
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The fucking comments on here are insane. It's not a private comm, and pretty much every comment that's been deleted for being posted by a male user was because they explicitly stated they were male. As in started off a comment (usually on women's issues) with "as a guy..."
Go on a linux forum and post "as a windows user..."
Go on PC gamers and post "as a console gamer..."
Would have a problem with being told "this is not for you" then? No, you wouldn't. You're literally just not used to being told it's not your turn to speak. Get over it.
And to those who demand it be taken off all: fucking learn how to curate your own experience. Skip over or block it the same way you would other communities that have nothing for you
To add the most blatant and widespread version of "as a man":
"But in the usa...."
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The fucking comments on here are insane. It's not a private comm, and pretty much every comment that's been deleted for being posted by a male user was because they explicitly stated they were male. As in started off a comment (usually on women's issues) with "as a guy..."
Go on a linux forum and post "as a windows user..."
Go on PC gamers and post "as a console gamer..."
Would have a problem with being told "this is not for you" then? No, you wouldn't. You're literally just not used to being told it's not your turn to speak. Get over it.
And to those who demand it be taken off all: fucking learn how to curate your own experience. Skip over or block it the same way you would other communities that have nothing for you
Also similar to why religious (online) comunities will usually deny the talk if "dissents" (also atheist comunities having rules against proselytizing, which do makes sense)
In the end, it sums up to "Don't be an asshole" rule
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Consider what the word "majority" means and how that impacts the balance of such discussions. Especially on a platform where people vote on each other's comments.
In the Linux forum example, the occasional "as a Windows user..." comment isn't a problem, but it does become one when it makes up 80-90% of comments / visitors. Try to understand how this shapes a community when the relatively few directly affected people (for whom the community was created in the first place) are annoyed by this and stop contributing.
This is why you need both kinds of spaces, and why it's silly and short-sighted to get mad over this policy.
The person you are replying to never mentioned their stance on the rule in question, only the analogies used by the original commenter... Which are terrible analogies both for skisnow's reasoning, and your comment as well.
They are not the same thing, because of the power dynamics at play, and I think most people in either a linux forum or PC gaming forum would react negatively if the mods banned people for one comment made while not being the "target demographic".
Also, someone can use both linux and windows. Someone can play PC games and console. They might have valuable insight having experiences from both.
That doesn't really apply to a women's only community. (although I am curious what WomensStuff's stance on Trans people is - I don't know of the community that much to be honest).
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You’re literally just not used to being told it’s not your turn to speak. Get over it.
Isn't the goal to move past this behavior when based on immutable qualities rather than merit? The ethical value of a reverse country club model is pretty controversial.
wrote last edited by [email protected]the rule isn't based on an immutable quality - the community accepts AMAB trans women and nonbinary folks. It's in line with the goal of the community being to discuss experiences with womanhood - people that don't identify with any aspect of it aren't who the community is for.
Usually self-policing is good enough for this kind of thing. as an American, I don't have much reason to comment in European centered communities, and while I do occasionally see Americans posting there, it's pretty rare. (and even more rarely welcomed, lol)
That changes when it's a community of people that are vastly outnumbered by those that have strong feelings about them. take vegan communities for instance. Check the comments of any vegan community post that gets popular, it's often a shit fest due to the influx of carnivore opinions, and I can understand mods not feeling able to keep up when this happens. Without enforcing some kind of standard in line with the goals of the community, you turn into /r/SeattleWA, a place for non-Seattlites to complain about Seattle.
Ideally I think this rule doesn't exist, ideally this could be like other communities where people recognize their opinion isn't needed here and move on - but that's absolutely not going to happen with a women's community.
You can very easily block it if you don't like the idea of a community that isn't for you, but e.g. as an American I do like checking in on European communities to see what's going on over there. Even if they're clowning on us. That's ok.
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The person you are replying to never mentioned their stance on the rule in question, only the analogies used by the original commenter... Which are terrible analogies both for skisnow's reasoning, and your comment as well.
They are not the same thing, because of the power dynamics at play, and I think most people in either a linux forum or PC gaming forum would react negatively if the mods banned people for one comment made while not being the "target demographic".
Also, someone can use both linux and windows. Someone can play PC games and console. They might have valuable insight having experiences from both.
That doesn't really apply to a women's only community. (although I am curious what WomensStuff's stance on Trans people is - I don't know of the community that much to be honest).
Also, someone can use both linux and windows.
"My favorite linux distro is WSL"
