Range anxiety is overblown. Electric vehicle owners only use 13 percent of their battery capacity a day, on average.
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I have an ice maker at home. Most days I use maybe 5 ice cubes total to make a cold drink.
However, if my ice maker could only hold 5 ice cubes max at a time, I would consider it a shitty ice maker and would be looking for a new one.
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Right, but you never want to be dependent on a stop.
We have an older 2017 leaf. You can highway about an hour and a half/two hours tops. If you get to that charge station and they only have 1chademo plug and it's out of order you're stuck using the slower "charge the car in 4-5 hours" plug.
For long trips we top up once we get to 40 percent or so, that way we can potentially skip a stop if need be.
I have a 2019 Tesla, which I bought specifically due to their charging network. That network is now open to other manufacturers, and most have signed deals with Tesla for integration. I've never had an issue with charging, and the longest I've ever had to wait for a charging spot was 10 minutes, and that was when half of the chargers at that stop were offline for some unknown reason.
While I don't particularly want to support any of Elon's companies at this time, Tesla did do pretty much everything right regarding charging infrastructure, and like you said, the alternatives are very iffy.
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That's interesting. I hadn't considered the efficiency aspect. L2 would be a pain to install where I live, I'm thinking. It's a bungalow and the breaker box is about as far from the driveway in the basement as is humanly possible. So lots of wiring and drilling to bring the power out to where it's needed seems likely.
From what others are saying, I probably do not need L2 for my modest driving needs, but the efficiency aspect could imply it would eventually pay itself back in energy savings. But if I have essentially what amounts to the worst case scenario in terms of upfront installation cost, that could take a long time…
Off the top of my head, I think L1 is like 75% efficient and L2 is closer to 95%, so it's a pretty significant efficiency drop. For me though, it's a similarly difficult install, and I've just got so many other other projects on the go that I've just never made it a priority. Maybe one day if I ever get solar installed...
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Well, yeah, but going 100.1% over capacity can be very inconvenient, particularly if you are far from service. So "on average" doesn't consider that some numbers are worse than others.
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Yeah.
I like going camping sometimes.
Or on longer road trips.
Range is an actual issue. The fact that I'm in the city MOST of the time I drive doesn't mean I'm in the city ALL the time I drive. I don't need some article telling me range anxiety is overblown when it isn't on those days.
For the "sometimes" long distance trips, you can always hire a long-range car for the trip.
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Oh my god buy a Prius
This problem was solved handily by hybrids before most porn stars were even born
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Ford made it out of resin and it was an issue. Point being, ICE cars are mechanically more complex, and more likely to strand you due to failures that are beyond your control.
Absolutely, but that being said breaking down on the side of the road is pretty damn rare for properly maintained ice engines. Your personal experience not withstanding. I've been driving for 35 years and I drove way more than the average person over that time.
I've had 2 break downs during that time that an average person would have needed a tow truck for. One on an unmaintained service van, that blew a water hose. The other was a bad starter on a 99' neon which was a manual so I push started it for 3 months
In fact, for anyone that takes a reasonable number of long trips. An ice engine, is going to crush a EV in time efficiency of travel time even counting rare breakdowns.
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For the "sometimes" long distance trips, you can always hire a long-range car for the trip.
In theory. In theory some can rent a car with property XYZ. And for "sometimes but often enough" long trips those rental charges adds up fast.
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but you just said the infrequency of an event does not determine value or importance???
I guess you just realized how silly your previous comment was... good for you
be sure to use the seatbelt next time you plan to have an accident
This is hilarious. Re-read my comment and what you just wrote. You don't understand what the sentence "the infrequency of an event does not determine value or importance" means. To use smaller words, it means that just because something happens infrequently, doesn't mean we shouldn't care about or plan for it. Accidents happen infrequently, but they're a big deal when they happen. An event can still be important even when it happens infrequently. You argued, above, that because something happens infrequently it's not important.
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I have an ice maker at home. Most days I use maybe 5 ice cubes total to make a cold drink.
However, if my ice maker could only hold 5 ice cubes max at a time, I would consider it a shitty ice maker and would be looking for a new one.
Article says 13% of capacity is normal. That's like your ice tray holds 35 but sometimes you have a party and have to buy cubes at the store.
Everyone shouts at you for not having ice on tap that costs them five times as much to make as your ice tray and is still more expensive than store ice, all because sometimes you have go to the shop.
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Oh my god buy a Prius
This problem was solved handily by hybrids before most porn stars were even born
wrote last edited by [email protected]Interesting metric.
Prius is boring. A lot of EVs are enormous fun to drive, even some of the ordinary ones, because they have so much instant acceleration compared to a diesel or petrol car. You won't even be able to tear my EV from my cold dead hands.
The article is right, and for me, 13% is a massive over estimate. I only need to charge at service stations when we go on holiday and there's an app that lets me plan it all out anyway. I don't know of any motorway service stations that don't have chargers in the UK.
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Funny thing. Only time an ICE has failed me on the road is either the brake caliper locked up or the battery died....
EVs only use physical brakes under sharp breaking and parking, so they wear down less.
In over 30 years driving I only ever had a breakdown away from home because of a gearbox failure. (I buy all my cars second hand but young, so that someone else has done the expensive bit of depreciation, and I don't buy American cars.)
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Absolutely, but that being said breaking down on the side of the road is pretty damn rare for properly maintained ice engines. Your personal experience not withstanding. I've been driving for 35 years and I drove way more than the average person over that time.
I've had 2 break downs during that time that an average person would have needed a tow truck for. One on an unmaintained service van, that blew a water hose. The other was a bad starter on a 99' neon which was a manual so I push started it for 3 months
In fact, for anyone that takes a reasonable number of long trips. An ice engine, is going to crush a EV in time efficiency of travel time even counting rare breakdowns.
wrote last edited by [email protected]EVs are statistically more reliable and require significantly less maintenance. Even more so if you exclude Teslas.
They're absurdly simple compared to gas guzzlers and cheaper to run, especially if you can get a cheap overnight electricity tariff.
My EV costs me 20% of what my petrol car cost me to fuel, and my service plan is roughly half the price.
And it's so, so, so much more fun to drive. I love it. Best car ever, by far. I zip away from gas powered mercs and BMWs at the lights and I can just floor it on the motorway and zip past anything when I want to. All in my unremarkable family car EV.
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Neither can I, that's why I got a used one, and TBH I can barely afford that.
This is the way.
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I considered it, but there are two problems.
- Frequency like you already called out
2 Availability of good rentals. Most rental companies don’t put snow tires on their rentals and do not want you to use chains. Good way to get stuck.
I'm a massive EV fan and love my car more than I thought it was possible, I never dreamed commuting could be enjoyable, but...
if you're regularly driving five hours up into remote mountains in the winter with no chargers en route, then absolutely stick with your diesel.
It's not for you.
- Frequency like you already called out
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And here I am with the strong belief that 1000Km is the range at which I’d be happy with. EVs degrade over time, and one must undercharge them to 80% on a daily basis. 1000Km also solves the road trip issue, being able to drive until you’re tired and then charge to rest. Then also, EVs would be better than gas cars and be a better deal overall.
wrote last edited by [email protected]1000km is 620 miles. That's heading for a 10 hour journey without stopping. No way am I prepared to do that. I don't have your stamina or concentration span.
For me, personally, without other considerations, my ideal EV would cover me to probably stop every three hours for a break. That's around 270 miles if I'm on a motorway 100% of the route, so I'd be happiest with an EV with a stated range of 400 miles to have 50% more than I need, and would want to charge from 50 left up to 320 left in ideally 20 minutes to half an hour. (Once the family has all been to the loo and I've looked at the route ahead and caught up with my messages, 20 minutes has flown by.) 400 miles stated range is roughly 100kwh capacity, charging 270 miles in 20 mins is 67.5 kwh in 1/3 hr, so 202.5kw charger.
Motorway service stations are installing 350kw chargers although a bunch of them still have 100kw or 150kw max, and some just 50kw.
I reckon my absolutely ideal EV will be on the market in a few years with plenty of fast enough chargers and I'll buy it second hand a few years after that, by which time I'll have had this EV, my most fun to drive vehicle ever, for a decade and my wife will be happy to swap it out.
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Oh my god buy a Prius
This problem was solved handily by hybrids before most porn stars were even born
Sadly most people are too retarded to know how to use a hybrid properly. It's why they are likely to be phased out as well because too many people just treat them like an ICE.
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Superchargers exist.
So do combustion engines.
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People worried about that have never actually had to evacuate.
I honestly have no clue what you are trying to say.
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Article says 13% of capacity is normal. That's like your ice tray holds 35 but sometimes you have a party and have to buy cubes at the store.
Everyone shouts at you for not having ice on tap that costs them five times as much to make as your ice tray and is still more expensive than store ice, all because sometimes you have go to the shop.
I don't think you're understanding the analogy, or at least there's some fallacy in the way you're applying it.
I would be perfectly fine with one that holds 35 cubes since I only use about 13% of that per day. That doesn't mean I will accept arguments that my ice tray should hold LESS than 35 cubes, which is what this article is trying to do with the range of electric vehicles.
Just because I'm not using the maximum amount every day, does not mean I want the maximum lowered. Again, if I had an ice maker that could only hold 5 ice cubes, while it would technically fulfil my needs most days, it would still be a shitty ice maker.
We aren't talking about "what if I had a large party?", just like we aren't talking about "what if I need to drive 1200 miles in a single day?". We're talking about "what if I have a single guest over?" or, in terms of the car, "what if I have a few extra errands to run?"
