Range anxiety is overblown. Electric vehicle owners only use 13 percent of their battery capacity a day, on average.
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Well, yeah, but going 100.1% over capacity can be very inconvenient, particularly if you are far from service. So "on average" doesn't consider that some numbers are worse than others.
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Yeah.
I like going camping sometimes.
Or on longer road trips.
Range is an actual issue. The fact that I'm in the city MOST of the time I drive doesn't mean I'm in the city ALL the time I drive. I don't need some article telling me range anxiety is overblown when it isn't on those days.
For the "sometimes" long distance trips, you can always hire a long-range car for the trip.
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Oh my god buy a Prius
This problem was solved handily by hybrids before most porn stars were even born
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Ford made it out of resin and it was an issue. Point being, ICE cars are mechanically more complex, and more likely to strand you due to failures that are beyond your control.
Absolutely, but that being said breaking down on the side of the road is pretty damn rare for properly maintained ice engines. Your personal experience not withstanding. I've been driving for 35 years and I drove way more than the average person over that time.
I've had 2 break downs during that time that an average person would have needed a tow truck for. One on an unmaintained service van, that blew a water hose. The other was a bad starter on a 99' neon which was a manual so I push started it for 3 months
In fact, for anyone that takes a reasonable number of long trips. An ice engine, is going to crush a EV in time efficiency of travel time even counting rare breakdowns.
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For the "sometimes" long distance trips, you can always hire a long-range car for the trip.
In theory. In theory some can rent a car with property XYZ. And for "sometimes but often enough" long trips those rental charges adds up fast.
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but you just said the infrequency of an event does not determine value or importance???
I guess you just realized how silly your previous comment was... good for you
be sure to use the seatbelt next time you plan to have an accident
This is hilarious. Re-read my comment and what you just wrote. You don't understand what the sentence "the infrequency of an event does not determine value or importance" means. To use smaller words, it means that just because something happens infrequently, doesn't mean we shouldn't care about or plan for it. Accidents happen infrequently, but they're a big deal when they happen. An event can still be important even when it happens infrequently. You argued, above, that because something happens infrequently it's not important.
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I have an ice maker at home. Most days I use maybe 5 ice cubes total to make a cold drink.
However, if my ice maker could only hold 5 ice cubes max at a time, I would consider it a shitty ice maker and would be looking for a new one.
Article says 13% of capacity is normal. That's like your ice tray holds 35 but sometimes you have a party and have to buy cubes at the store.
Everyone shouts at you for not having ice on tap that costs them five times as much to make as your ice tray and is still more expensive than store ice, all because sometimes you have go to the shop.
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Oh my god buy a Prius
This problem was solved handily by hybrids before most porn stars were even born
wrote last edited by [email protected]Interesting metric.
Prius is boring. A lot of EVs are enormous fun to drive, even some of the ordinary ones, because they have so much instant acceleration compared to a diesel or petrol car. You won't even be able to tear my EV from my cold dead hands.
The article is right, and for me, 13% is a massive over estimate. I only need to charge at service stations when we go on holiday and there's an app that lets me plan it all out anyway. I don't know of any motorway service stations that don't have chargers in the UK.
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Funny thing. Only time an ICE has failed me on the road is either the brake caliper locked up or the battery died....
EVs only use physical brakes under sharp breaking and parking, so they wear down less.
In over 30 years driving I only ever had a breakdown away from home because of a gearbox failure. (I buy all my cars second hand but young, so that someone else has done the expensive bit of depreciation, and I don't buy American cars.)
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Absolutely, but that being said breaking down on the side of the road is pretty damn rare for properly maintained ice engines. Your personal experience not withstanding. I've been driving for 35 years and I drove way more than the average person over that time.
I've had 2 break downs during that time that an average person would have needed a tow truck for. One on an unmaintained service van, that blew a water hose. The other was a bad starter on a 99' neon which was a manual so I push started it for 3 months
In fact, for anyone that takes a reasonable number of long trips. An ice engine, is going to crush a EV in time efficiency of travel time even counting rare breakdowns.
wrote last edited by [email protected]EVs are statistically more reliable and require significantly less maintenance. Even more so if you exclude Teslas.
They're absurdly simple compared to gas guzzlers and cheaper to run, especially if you can get a cheap overnight electricity tariff.
My EV costs me 20% of what my petrol car cost me to fuel, and my service plan is roughly half the price.
And it's so, so, so much more fun to drive. I love it. Best car ever, by far. I zip away from gas powered mercs and BMWs at the lights and I can just floor it on the motorway and zip past anything when I want to. All in my unremarkable family car EV.
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Neither can I, that's why I got a used one, and TBH I can barely afford that.
This is the way.
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I considered it, but there are two problems.
- Frequency like you already called out
2 Availability of good rentals. Most rental companies don’t put snow tires on their rentals and do not want you to use chains. Good way to get stuck.
I'm a massive EV fan and love my car more than I thought it was possible, I never dreamed commuting could be enjoyable, but...
if you're regularly driving five hours up into remote mountains in the winter with no chargers en route, then absolutely stick with your diesel.
It's not for you.
- Frequency like you already called out
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And here I am with the strong belief that 1000Km is the range at which I’d be happy with. EVs degrade over time, and one must undercharge them to 80% on a daily basis. 1000Km also solves the road trip issue, being able to drive until you’re tired and then charge to rest. Then also, EVs would be better than gas cars and be a better deal overall.
wrote last edited by [email protected]1000km is 620 miles. That's heading for a 10 hour journey without stopping. No way am I prepared to do that. I don't have your stamina or concentration span.
For me, personally, without other considerations, my ideal EV would cover me to probably stop every three hours for a break. That's around 270 miles if I'm on a motorway 100% of the route, so I'd be happiest with an EV with a stated range of 400 miles to have 50% more than I need, and would want to charge from 50 left up to 320 left in ideally 20 minutes to half an hour. (Once the family has all been to the loo and I've looked at the route ahead and caught up with my messages, 20 minutes has flown by.) 400 miles stated range is roughly 100kwh capacity, charging 270 miles in 20 mins is 67.5 kwh in 1/3 hr, so 202.5kw charger.
Motorway service stations are installing 350kw chargers although a bunch of them still have 100kw or 150kw max, and some just 50kw.
I reckon my absolutely ideal EV will be on the market in a few years with plenty of fast enough chargers and I'll buy it second hand a few years after that, by which time I'll have had this EV, my most fun to drive vehicle ever, for a decade and my wife will be happy to swap it out.
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Oh my god buy a Prius
This problem was solved handily by hybrids before most porn stars were even born
Sadly most people are too retarded to know how to use a hybrid properly. It's why they are likely to be phased out as well because too many people just treat them like an ICE.
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Superchargers exist.
So do combustion engines.
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People worried about that have never actually had to evacuate.
I honestly have no clue what you are trying to say.
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Article says 13% of capacity is normal. That's like your ice tray holds 35 but sometimes you have a party and have to buy cubes at the store.
Everyone shouts at you for not having ice on tap that costs them five times as much to make as your ice tray and is still more expensive than store ice, all because sometimes you have go to the shop.
I don't think you're understanding the analogy, or at least there's some fallacy in the way you're applying it.
I would be perfectly fine with one that holds 35 cubes since I only use about 13% of that per day. That doesn't mean I will accept arguments that my ice tray should hold LESS than 35 cubes, which is what this article is trying to do with the range of electric vehicles.
Just because I'm not using the maximum amount every day, does not mean I want the maximum lowered. Again, if I had an ice maker that could only hold 5 ice cubes, while it would technically fulfil my needs most days, it would still be a shitty ice maker.
We aren't talking about "what if I had a large party?", just like we aren't talking about "what if I need to drive 1200 miles in a single day?". We're talking about "what if I have a single guest over?" or, in terms of the car, "what if I have a few extra errands to run?"
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I don't think you're understanding the analogy, or at least there's some fallacy in the way you're applying it.
I would be perfectly fine with one that holds 35 cubes since I only use about 13% of that per day. That doesn't mean I will accept arguments that my ice tray should hold LESS than 35 cubes, which is what this article is trying to do with the range of electric vehicles.
Just because I'm not using the maximum amount every day, does not mean I want the maximum lowered. Again, if I had an ice maker that could only hold 5 ice cubes, while it would technically fulfil my needs most days, it would still be a shitty ice maker.
We aren't talking about "what if I had a large party?", just like we aren't talking about "what if I need to drive 1200 miles in a single day?". We're talking about "what if I have a single guest over?" or, in terms of the car, "what if I have a few extra errands to run?"
wrote last edited by [email protected]What? No. They're not suggesting lowering it to 5 at all. No one thinks the maximum should be set at the average (apart from a credit card company that I quit, but that's another story).
The article is saying that most people who insist on a 35 cube tray tend to use about 5 cubes daily and some of them just don't need the 35 and might be absolutely fine with a 20 cube or even a 15 cube tray.
Let's put it back in miles. The study found:
350-375 mile EVs: 11.3% of range used daily
Which is about 50 miles.
What "few extra errands" do you have that cause you to drive hundreds of miles? That's not an errand, it's a road trip.
Personally I drive round trips of 30 miles a day and 80 on Saturdays. Several times a year, we go further and then I stop every couple of hours to charge for 25 minutes or something. I'd rather stop every three hours, but it's worth it for the convenience and economy of home charging and the joy of driving I get.
If you go on more road trips than we do, you probably want a bigger range, but my humble family car 150 mile EV is more fun to drive than any other vehicle I've driven, including an overpowered automatic BMW that was lovely but not nearly as much fun.
I'm not ever going back to boring sluggish driving, spongy acceleration and annoying commuting and all those endless endless visits to petrol stations.
The cheap petrol station is a ten minute drive from my house. Filling takes a few minutes. My diesel had more range and I could eke it out to a fortnight, but the petrol one was every week. People expect me to be upset about stopping for 25 minutes and messing with my phone, going to the loo, eating a bit of food every couple of hours, ten times a year, but I used to go to the petrol station every week! I don't miss it AT ALL.
I spend hours and hours in my EV every week. It's genuinely fun to drive. The odd visit to the motorway service station is no biggie. I love my EV. I tried it for the curiosity, and love it for the driving experience
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Which, sure, is great, but not what I or most want to do. My first car had a 50mpg rating, and a 14 gallon tank. You best believe I could get to my destinations with less than 2 fuel stops most of the time.
Your car had a stated range of 700 miles and you only stopped for fuel?! Take a proper break, dude, 10 hours is too long, you're going to have an accident. Professional drivers have legal drive time limits for a reason.
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I've never had to use my seatbelt. Guess I should get rid of them.
I hope you explode in a lithium bomb idiot
IF WE OUTNAZI THE NAZIS PEOPLE WILL NOT VOTE FOR THE NAZIS GUYS !! Fucking scum
