Time to bash Americans again
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When its all made up? Yes. Yes it is
What's made up? That the US has school cops and Europe doesn't?
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I've seen security in European schools. Usually in the morning, due to congestion traffic concerns.
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Im not sure which bits would be getting made up in response to this. Americans need hella security because school shootings are real. Europeans need minimal security because they simply aren't. Its a risk assessment thing. I dont think any of our schools, either side of the pond, are secure against ICBM attacks, because theyre unlikely to actually happen.
I meant the entire post history of the troll. I followed their page early on and anyone complaining like this wouldn't go to Europe in the first place. Its false outrage about topics anyone who's left the country would never complain about being in the Netherlands
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I think “expat” is more a thing of people who thing they come from a “great country”, as if somehow it’s a priviledge for the other country to have them there.
This is it. If you move from a "better country" to a "worse country" you are an expat (because you think you are something better than the lower people you live among). If you move from a "worse country" to a "better country" you are labelled as a migrant (by the "better" people you live among).
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well, in my experience it's the immigrants themselves doing it and never the locals.
Further, even in a poorer European country like Portugal I've never heard say, Germans or French calling themselves "expats" even though those are much more wealthy nations - it's pretty much only Brits and Americans living there who speak of themselves as "expats".
I think the use of expat is specifically a thing for people from countries were national delusions of grandeur are widespread (which I know for sure from direct experience is the case in the UK and seems to very much be the case in the US) rather than merelly the coutry of origin of the migrant being "better" than the host country.
Also these experiences of mine I've mentioned are in some cases from way back in the 90s - this shit was already done over 2 decades ago well before the recent anti-immigration sentiment in the West.
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In America you can bypass gun checks in most checks if you buy your gun from a Gun show.
Yes... but what does that have to do with the country allegedly giving every single person the money for a ticket?
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Yes... but what does that have to do with the country allegedly giving every single person the money for a ticket?
I forgot a word: We don't give everyone with the money for a ticket to a gun show...
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I forgot a word: We don't give everyone with the money for a ticket to a gun show...
Ah, that makes more sense.
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A MAGA IMMIGRANT in Amsterdam? ewww, I wish we could close our borders to the likes of them.
Their Insta now says they've moved back to the States permanently. And also that their pronouns are they/them, which is super baffling next to "MAGA."
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Their Insta now says they've moved back to the States permanently. And also that their pronouns are they/them, which is super baffling next to "MAGA."
They haven't figured out that the entire movement that's their entire personality hates people like them?
That's hilariously sad!
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They haven't figured out that the entire movement that's their entire personality hates people like them?
That's hilariously sad!
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Also crazy as they don’t really have that much freedom. They’re slaves to capitalism.
I mean, so are most of us at this point. Though working to buy more guns and stuff for "freedom" is peak irony.
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Oh cool.
Can you give us the statistics for school shootings in Europe so I can compare?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well I can, but this is where people will argue what counts as "Europe." Wikipedia maintains a list specifically titled "List of School Shootings in Europe".
Using the same metrics as the US number (1999-current) the total number of European school shootings is 88, if not for 2024 the US and Europe would be pretty close between 1999 and 2023 (US 131 vs Europe 84).
For the other statistics the "What is Europe" becomes an even bigger problem and also the way schools are structured in Europe gets fiddly. Europe much more prefers a higher quantity of small schools while the US seems to prefer concentrating more students in less schools. So Europe has ~1.47 million primary education schools and 79k secondary education schools for ~70 million students vs the US with 130k schools for ~50 million students.
So, Europe has 40% more students, ~10x more schools, and ~25% as many school shootings. If we don't count 2024 then Europe would have 64% as many school shootings as the US. One of the biggest holdups for making the data comparable is adjusting the European number of schools to match US schools or vice versa. If Europe had school distributions similar to the US the EU would have ~182,000 schools (70mil/x=50 mil/130000) and if the US had schools distributed similarly to Europe the US would have ~1.11 million schools (70 mil/1.54 mil=70mil/x).
When the number of schools is adjusted for differences in school structure European students have an annual average chance of a school shooting of 0.00185% (0.00184% not counting 2024) (88 shootings/26 years/182000 adjusted schools) or a 0.03% chance of ever having a school shooting ((1-(1-0.0000185)^12)). The US on the other hand would have an annual average chance of a school shooting 0.01369% (0.00403% not counting 2024) (463 shootings/26 years/130000 actual schools) or about 0.2% chance of ever having a school shooting ((1-(1-0.0001369)^12)).
Before anyone points out that my previous math showed 4% I'll remind you that that was only using 2024 data, not all 26 years.
So when you actually look and adjust for Europe fundamentally having 10x more schools for 40% more students the incidence of school shootings over the last 26 years haven't been that different. In the US it is about 7.4x more likely that a school will experience a shooting per year than in Europe, when adjusting the quantity of schools, but the % chance is already so incredibly low it doesn't really increase the chance that a given student will ever experience a school shooting.
It is worth noting that Europe does have 10x more schools, and so when a school shooting does occur less people are in the school to be exposed to the shooting, but not taking it into account is an apples and oranges comparison.
EDIT: Just to quickly bring it back to my original argument, the difference between Europe and the US isn't really how often a student will experience a school shooting, but rather the attitudes toward such events. Europe seems to grieve, find justice for those hurt, learn from mistakes, and move on with what works. On the other hand, in the US the parents grieve, someone sues, the school system looks for someone to blame, and the only thing learned is how to avoid a lawsuit.
EDIT 2: Revisited to double check and fix some math and numbers, if I messed something up feel free to let me know.
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After columbine my school banned all black clothing. And forbid boys picking up sticks in case we used them to pretend they where weapons.
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I would have said the two words are different by perspective. An "expat" is talking about where you're from. An "immigrant" is talking about where you are. Also, if you start talking about 2nd generation immigrants, then "expat" can't be used at all, which means it is narrower in scope, too.
Hopping onto this matter of perspective. I think it also takes on a state of permanence. My brother and I both moved to an EU country. He plans on returning home at some point, and he calls himself an expat, while I have no plans on returning, so I think of myself as an immigrant. Though I guess it's not the technical definition. It's how I always thought about it
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After columbine my school banned all black clothing. And forbid boys picking up sticks in case we used them to pretend they where weapons.
I remember something about trench coats. Then those got banned.
Guns were never banned though!
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Why would you move to the Netherlands if you are MAGA? Isn't your country so much greater again now? You ellected your king and then you left?
Gotta spread the freedumb
