Israeli forces assault Freedom Flotilla’s “Madleen,” abduct crew
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Israeli forces assaulted the humanitarian vessel “Madleen” en route to Gaza, seizing the cargo and abducting its crew
Supposedly Israel is detaining them in solitary while deporting them after abducting them in international waters.
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Israeli forces assaulted the humanitarian vessel “Madleen” en route to Gaza, seizing the cargo and abducting its crew
They weren't abducted.
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They weren't abducted.
great,
what is a word by being taken against your consent in international waters by a armed group without legal jurisdiction?
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great,
what is a word by being taken against your consent in international waters by a armed group without legal jurisdiction?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Seizing/intercepting for deportation. Not trying to defend Israel, but it was pretty clear from the start that this was their mission, and it went perfectly according to the plan, and now media can have a field day.
EDIT: Apparently they didn't even bother loading the boat full with aid
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great,
what is a word by being taken against your consent in international waters by a armed group without legal jurisdiction?
They sailed straight into a naval blockade. They were subsequently stopped and searched. What do you expect? That Israel asks them nicely if they can kindly fuck off?
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They sailed straight into a naval blockade. They were subsequently stopped and searched. What do you expect? That Israel asks them nicely if they can kindly fuck off?
Israeli, I expect Israel to fuck off and not violate international law by unilaterally setting up a multi decade long blockage, especially during a genocide and famine they are creating.
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Seizing/intercepting for deportation. Not trying to defend Israel, but it was pretty clear from the start that this was their mission, and it went perfectly according to the plan, and now media can have a field day.
EDIT: Apparently they didn't even bother loading the boat full with aid
I wouldn't consider it deportation.
not like they went to Israel, they went to another country.
that's like me going to Canada, but the US intercepting my plane, forcing me to land in US soil at gunpoint. and then be kicked out of the states.
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I wouldn't consider it deportation.
not like they went to Israel, they went to another country.
that's like me going to Canada, but the US intercepting my plane, forcing me to land in US soil at gunpoint. and then be kicked out of the states.
You're missing one major difference. US doesn't enforce blockade over Canada
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip_(2023–present)
How morally wrong this is, is whole another discussion, just pointing out why this was never going to happen and went according to the plan.
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You're missing one major difference. US doesn't enforce blockade over Canada
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip_(2023–present)
How morally wrong this is, is whole another discussion, just pointing out why this was never going to happen and went according to the plan.
Article 23 of the fourth Geneva convention would disagree with you.
also, a foreign country boarding a boat, imprisoning the crew, and confiscating the ship and cargo, all in international waters is called piracy, not the fun one.
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Article 23 of the fourth Geneva convention would disagree with you.
also, a foreign country boarding a boat, imprisoning the crew, and confiscating the ship and cargo, all in international waters is called piracy, not the fun one.
What the hell are you claiming? Greta is not in forced labor. Military blockade is a real thing, she tries to breach it, and was apprehended and deported. End of the very predictable story that went perfectly according to the plan.
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What the hell are you claiming? Greta is not in forced labor. Military blockade is a real thing, she tries to breach it, and was apprehended and deported. End of the very predictable story that went perfectly according to the plan.
you might have read the wrong rule
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-23A) military blockade on international waters?
B) A blockade that started in 2006?
C) it's actually a warcrime for a military blockade to block aid and food.
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you might have read the wrong rule
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-23A) military blockade on international waters?
B) A blockade that started in 2006?
C) it's actually a warcrime for a military blockade to block aid and food.
International law regards military blockade as an act of war.
They are at war. Rest is pretty much useless as in real life these agreements and conventions only work when the stronger party enforces it, which isn't happening here. What is written on some paper and how real life works are two very different things.
I should mention again that I'm not trying to defend Israel, just telling you the brutal truth that things written in geneva convention do not work in real life if the stronger party refuses to play by it, just like UN is often meaningless if US has veto power and does what it want, or ICC that can't do anything meaningful because states have threatened to take forceful action against them if they attempt to actually arrest someone from said country. We of course love yelling these things at countries doing shitty things, makes us feel better and puts us on the morally correct side, especially against Russia with thousands of war crimes, but what does that change if there is no one that can enforce said laws? You wanna go to russia and arrest Putin? Didn't think so. Empty words. Evil does not care about your signature.
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International law regards military blockade as an act of war.
They are at war. Rest is pretty much useless as in real life these agreements and conventions only work when the stronger party enforces it, which isn't happening here. What is written on some paper and how real life works are two very different things.
I should mention again that I'm not trying to defend Israel, just telling you the brutal truth that things written in geneva convention do not work in real life if the stronger party refuses to play by it, just like UN is often meaningless if US has veto power and does what it want, or ICC that can't do anything meaningful because states have threatened to take forceful action against them if they attempt to actually arrest someone from said country. We of course love yelling these things at countries doing shitty things, makes us feel better and puts us on the morally correct side, especially against Russia with thousands of war crimes, but what does that change if there is no one that can enforce said laws? You wanna go to russia and arrest Putin? Didn't think so. Empty words. Evil does not care about your signature.
I'm just tired of Israel finding new creative ways to commit war crimes, and we are all sudently acting like doing so was always normal.
Of course Israel gets to have a blockade... even though doing so to stop AID is a war crime.
same with how normalised every single war crime they commit, which they literally come up with names, like Dahia doctrine, mosquito protocol, where's daddy...
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I'm just tired of Israel finding new creative ways to commit war crimes, and we are all sudently acting like doing so was always normal.
Of course Israel gets to have a blockade... even though doing so to stop AID is a war crime.
same with how normalised every single war crime they commit, which they literally come up with names, like Dahia doctrine, mosquito protocol, where's daddy...
Fully agree. I'm just in this state of "what's the point, laws no longer work, conventions no longer work, UN is useless, etc.". At this point the only hope here is if the governments around the world en mass seriously starts getting involved, but even that is mostly word exchanges.
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They weren't abducted.
They were removed at gunpoint from international waters, taken to a country they had no intention of entering, and then were told they had no right to be there and ejected.
"The Freedom Flotilla Coalition, which organized the latest ship, says the Madleen was intercepted in international waters some 200 kilometers (124 miles) off the coast of Gaza, a claim that could not be independently verified. Israeli authorities have not disclosed the location where the ship was halted.
Robbie Sabel, an international law expert and former legal adviser to the Israeli Foreign Ministry, said the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea stipulates that a state only has jurisdiction up to 12 nautical miles (19 kilometers) from its shores."
That's pretty much the textbook definition of abduction. If someone holds you at gunpoint, takes you to a second location, even if they release you would you not call that "abduction"?
Obligatory "Never let them take you to a second location."
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They sailed straight into a naval blockade. They were subsequently stopped and searched. What do you expect? That Israel asks them nicely if they can kindly fuck off?
They were siezed over 10x the distance from Israeli waters where Israel had no jurisdiction.
"The Freedom Flotilla Coalition, which organized the latest ship, says the Madleen was intercepted in international waters some 200 kilometers (124 miles) off the coast of Gaza, a claim that could not be independently verified. Israeli authorities have not disclosed the location where the ship was halted.
Robbie Sabel, an international law expert and former legal adviser to the Israeli Foreign Ministry, said the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea stipulates that a state only has jurisdiction up to 12 nautical miles (19 kilometers) from its shores."
