Bezos wedding: Venice protestors claim 'enormous victory' after venue change
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"We are very proud of this! We are nobodies, we have no money, nothing!" Tommaso Cacciari, from a group calling itself No Space for Bezos, told the BBC.
"We're just citizens who started organising and we managed to move one of the most powerful people in the world - all the billionaires - out of the city."
The wedding kicks off later this week, and has a star-studded guest list of the rich and famous that is rumoured to include Kim Kardashian, Mick Jagger and Leonardo diCaprio, as well as several of the Trumps.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]If we were to rank people on the basis of how far they are on the path towards enlightenment, without a doubt Jeff Bezos would have all the world in front of him.
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Venice as a city predates the independent republic by roughly 2 centuries
By your logic, Bezos built Washington, which is where Amazon started
By your logic, people visit Venice for the fisher village huts.
If you don't see what the elite does, how can you live in an equal society? Then nobody does those things and the society crumbles or those who do become the next elite.
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yeah about 9 surgeries ago
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yep, looks more like Temu than like Amazon.
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You simping this hard for Bezos for free is the really sad part.
To me, the sad part is that I am not simping, but nobody recognizes that. Like a bull in a bullfight, people attack billionaires without seeing the dagger.
Especially Amazon, people could have recognized the idea and created a cooperative competitor. Bezos is a billionaire because they haven't.
There are four options for the billionaire situation. Do nothing, organize a new party, civil war or starting competing businesses.
Hating Bezos without understanding his skills looks like the first option to me. In a world of flooding zones, that makes me wary.
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That might be a genuine option if not for widespread antitrust abuses by what is essentially monopolies.. your answer to that is "just create more businesses"?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's always duopolies because the elite doesn't trust itself. This leaves some room for business.
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Yep, looks more like Temu than like Amazon.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]don't know about Amazon but certainly not her Prime
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You both seem to be right. Needless levels of empathy should also be avoided in some sense. i want to believe in aliens though
Could you elaborate on "needless levels of empathy"?
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They can have their wedding in one of their beloved tax havens, not in some crumbling city that should be preserved as well as possible.
Doesn't Venice take a tax for each visitor? They should up this as much as possible. If you really want to go there you can pay a 100+ euros.
Don't get me started on cruise ships and the clientele on there.
100+ euros? Lets say its 200€ each. And lets say Jeffy B has 2000 guests. So he has to pay 400.000€ in taxes. You know how long he has to do nothing to earn 400k? 100 Seconds. That's not even 2 minutes where he earns as much as we pay for a home.
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They can have their wedding in one of their beloved tax havens, not in some crumbling city that should be preserved as well as possible.
Doesn't Venice take a tax for each visitor? They should up this as much as possible. If you really want to go there you can pay a 100+ euros.
Don't get me started on cruise ships and the clientele on there.
Indeed, they do have a tax. But it's essentially a tourist trap / tourist heaven now, a giant partying hub with few notable events that appeal to the 'haute culture' that, somehow, feels consumeristic in nature.
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To me, the sad part is that I am not simping, but nobody recognizes that. Like a bull in a bullfight, people attack billionaires without seeing the dagger.
Especially Amazon, people could have recognized the idea and created a cooperative competitor. Bezos is a billionaire because they haven't.
There are four options for the billionaire situation. Do nothing, organize a new party, civil war or starting competing businesses.
Hating Bezos without understanding his skills looks like the first option to me. In a world of flooding zones, that makes me wary.
People like Bezos actively prevents competitors from emerging.
You equating someone who received $245,000 from his parents with any random guy who could have done the same is culpably dense.
His skills are being the business equivalent of a cancer that kills its host in order to grow. -
People like Bezos actively prevents competitors from emerging.
You equating someone who received $245,000 from his parents with any random guy who could have done the same is culpably dense.
His skills are being the business equivalent of a cancer that kills its host in order to grow.And yet, what other options exist right now?
But starting another regular company would end up with yet another billionaire, if successful. To avoid billionaires, businesses have to be structured and financed differently anyway.
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Nothing was ever built by a person on a computer.
Don't diminish his work. If you want billionaires to have less influence you have to replace what they do. If you think they do nothing then you have nothing to understand.
Of all places, Venice is in the top 5 of places that cannot complain about being commercialized and rented out. Simping for Venice just shows how big the hate for Bezos is which isn't justified when looking at the criticism:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos
Where does the hate come from? He shows the limits of worker organized structures in comparison. All the unemployed could have built Amazon by themselves. The focus should be placed on finding new forms of cooperation, not on hating Bezos.
Ok, Jeff
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Maximizing value extraction is not bad as long as there is a free market. That's what drives competition and brings prices down. Of course, employees and customers need other options for this to be fair.
Unless you organize a cooperating economy, maximizing value extraction is inevitable.
Besides, you shouldn't ignore the work he does.
Maximizing value extraction is not bad as long as there is a free market.
Yes it is. It is inherently exploitative.
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They can have their wedding in one of their beloved tax havens, not in some crumbling city that should be preserved as well as possible.
Doesn't Venice take a tax for each visitor? They should up this as much as possible. If you really want to go there you can pay a 100+ euros.
Don't get me started on cruise ships and the clientele on there.
Tax based on yearly income of the individual. Even with the creative accounting these shits do, it will still dwarf what normal people make.
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Ironic. Venice was built by people like Bezos.
Lmao if you say so, Ayn Rand
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"We are very proud of this! We are nobodies, we have no money, nothing!" Tommaso Cacciari, from a group calling itself No Space for Bezos, told the BBC.
"We're just citizens who started organising and we managed to move one of the most powerful people in the world - all the billionaires - out of the city."
The wedding kicks off later this week, and has a star-studded guest list of the rich and famous that is rumoured to include Kim Kardashian, Mick Jagger and Leonardo diCaprio, as well as several of the Trumps.
This is the actual answer. Remember Greenpeace, who would set sail to interrupt oil tankers?
Sailors in the Vaca Navy, what's the point in having wealth if you can't enjoy it?
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Don't you need money to stop Venice sinking?
For temporary solutions, yes. They have three major, perpetual issues that are not solved by tourism money.
- Rising sea levels.
- Too many boats making waves rocking the foundations more.
- Too much groundwater extraction (seawater pressure will push inland with less groundwater pressure).
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By your logic, people visit Venice for the fisher village huts.
If you don't see what the elite does, how can you live in an equal society? Then nobody does those things and the society crumbles or those who do become the next elite.
It's the people who build stuff. The elites control the resources, but they don't build shit. Ordering stuff to be done doesn't make you a builder, just as commissioning a portrait doesn't make you a painter.
People can come together and build big things without elites, kings or bosses sitting down and telling everyone what to do. Just because societies that greatly limit the power of the elites no longer exist, having been crushed, doesn't mean they don't work.
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Maximizing value extraction is not bad as long as there is a free market.
Yes it is. It is inherently exploitative.
How is it exploitative? If you get market rates for your work or pay market rates for the stuff you buy, you don't lose in transactions.
Those who maximize value extraction optimize resource allocation and bring prices down for everybody.
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It's the people who build stuff. The elites control the resources, but they don't build shit. Ordering stuff to be done doesn't make you a builder, just as commissioning a portrait doesn't make you a painter.
People can come together and build big things without elites, kings or bosses sitting down and telling everyone what to do. Just because societies that greatly limit the power of the elites no longer exist, having been crushed, doesn't mean they don't work.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I know. I was not prepared for a .world community to demand and not oppose that way of thinking.
Ironic. Venice was commissioned by people like Bezos
Fine with me.
People can come together and build big things without elites, kings or bosses sitting down and telling everyone what to do. Just because societies that greatly limit the power of the elites no longer exist, having been crushed, doesn’t mean they don’t work.
Could. Hating Bezos instead of coming together and start building is the mental trap I try to point out in my other comments that is not accepted. Right now people need commissioning if they keep thinking the way they think, and they don't want to hear it.
There are pockets that work, like Wikipedia or Burning Man. But they grew slowly and are not blueprints to get other projects done.
