Bezos wedding: Venice protestors claim 'enormous victory' after venue change
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You earlier "If it wasnt for people like bezos venice wouldn't exist!"
you now; "yeah bezos isn't to blame its the system!"
hes part of the system, literally you are going to bat for a rich man then backing down to save face. "please spit in my mouth, bezos!" is your thesis and don't even try to pretend anymore. I would say its you who has double standards here but its clear you have no standards.
keep licking that boot.
In the same way that it is true that Bezos hasn't built Venice but the workers. Bezos organizes the trading but he is just new money. His influence must be much smaller than his wealth.
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Where does the hate come from?
He hordes more wealth than almost anyone else in the entire world. The man could fucking cure cancer and I would still hate him and consider him a horrible person. Nobody needs or deserves that much money when so much of the word is struggling to get by. And nobody makes that much money without exploiting others.
He owns shares of Amazon, not money. If he sells those he loses his influence.
People are struggling because markets are distorted, including preventing free global movement of people. Figure out who does that before hating Bezos.
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In the same way that it is true that Bezos hasn't built Venice but the workers. Bezos organizes the trading but he is just new money. His influence must be much smaller than his wealth.
Bezos organizes the trading?
he absolutely does not, he pays people to do that for him. You fool.
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Great Man Theory is the worst kind of cuckoldry
Jesus Christ
Do you see what you did?
You are missing my point entirely.
of great men, or heroes: highly influential and unique individuals who, due to their natural attributes, such as superior intellect, heroic courage, extraordinary leadership abilities, or divine inspiration, have a decisive historical effect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_man_theory
My argument is that there is no need to rely on divine leaders. Any leader could do. But for that, a climate must exist that fosters leaders so that some are available. By being toxic, the left eliminates their leaders and they end up as customers of Amazon, which they despise, but cannot change.
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His work, his sole accomplishment, is maximizing value extraction. That's not nothing, it's less than nothing because it's a monumental net negative for the rest of society.
Maximizing value extraction is not bad as long as there is a free market. That's what drives competition and brings prices down. Of course, employees and customers need other options for this to be fair.
Unless you organize a cooperating economy, maximizing value extraction is inevitable.
Besides, you shouldn't ignore the work he does.
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To be fair, his "JC vs Great man" reply was funny. Not enough, but funny.
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Nothing was ever built by a person on a computer.
Don't diminish his work. If you want billionaires to have less influence you have to replace what they do. If you think they do nothing then you have nothing to understand.
Of all places, Venice is in the top 5 of places that cannot complain about being commercialized and rented out. Simping for Venice just shows how big the hate for Bezos is which isn't justified when looking at the criticism:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos
Where does the hate come from? He shows the limits of worker organized structures in comparison. All the unemployed could have built Amazon by themselves. The focus should be placed on finding new forms of cooperation, not on hating Bezos.
Don't diminish his work?
The world could easily do with Amazon, or with an alternative/competitors/etc.So Bezos himself is irrelevant in the discussion about important leaders. He wishes he was in that group.
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He owns shares of Amazon, not money. If he sells those he loses his influence.
People are struggling because markets are distorted, including preventing free global movement of people. Figure out who does that before hating Bezos.
And that shows you don't understand the power of "just owning shares". It's a whole fucking shit load better than having income or money. He can take whatever loan he wants with his stocks as collateral. He skips out completely on doing anything helpful to society whatsoever. People are struggling because of this system, yes, and people like Bezos are happily living grand off of it
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Well yeah, most likely that. I want to believe that there are some politicians and city officials and such who are just too stupid to realize the problems with capitalism. I just don't wanna think bad of all my fellow humans, you know. That style of useless universal misanthropy is so 2008-2011 thinking for me personally.
It's not stupidity. It's willful blindness.
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And that shows you don't understand the power of "just owning shares". It's a whole fucking shit load better than having income or money. He can take whatever loan he wants with his stocks as collateral. He skips out completely on doing anything helpful to society whatsoever. People are struggling because of this system, yes, and people like Bezos are happily living grand off of it
Of course. But Bezos taking loans is only slightly connected to keeping people poor. As far as I know Bezos also hasn't financed a regime change for some mining operations.
Other corporations depend much more on keeping people poor. They don't get the attention because they are not household names. It's not good that richness has become the measure for evil, and not evil itself.
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Remember when dolphins actually returned to the city for a little while? That's how it's supposed to be for citizens. Bezos should just tour somehwere that needs more tourism. I think the deep sea is open.
I think the Titanic could use a few more wealthy visitors.
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Of course. But Bezos taking loans is only slightly connected to keeping people poor. As far as I know Bezos also hasn't financed a regime change for some mining operations.
Other corporations depend much more on keeping people poor. They don't get the attention because they are not household names. It's not good that richness has become the measure for evil, and not evil itself.
Look up "criticism of Amazon" or anything like that and you'll see he isn't just a good guy who happened to make a big benevolent corporation. From antitrust practices, to design theft, especially from POC, counterfeit products, special tax deals designed to contribute as little as possible, a significantly negative effect on the environment and more. Add to that Bezos' personal relationships with business and government leaders that are actively trying to keep people poor, including Trump. It's not the good-guy corporation you think it is.
And yes, when you're worth 220 billion dollars and you do nothing positive with it whatsoever, you're problematic, bordering on evil. It's greed. If Bezos gave a flying shit about humanity, imagine what kind of change he could actually do.
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Keep on serfin' simp.
You need people to organize and give directions. People on their own are trapped in the routines they have. There will never be built something pretty like Venice without leaders. All you do by making the recognition of leadership toxic is that there won't be leaders [that you can choose or build up] who organize a better life for you.
To add to this:
Venice is the historic city of global trade that is filled with tourist second homes. To celebrate with the inhabitants is simping on its own. The working people don't live in Venice anymore. People who object are other rich people who feel diminished because they cannot rent the city themselves.
The elephant in the room is the introduction of the tourist ticket for Venice. How can Bezos rent the city? He must have bought all tickets for the day. Now, was the ticket introduced by his influence to make that possible? That would be something to object, not the renting itself.
Hey, we got a case of oligarch bootlickin' here!
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It's not stupidity. It's willful blindness.
tomato potato. and how do you know, hmm? do you divine the exact information on a case-by-case basis from animal bones and cryptic symbolism in your dreams for every non-socialist on whether they are stupid or willfully blind? i often find myself making such grand generalizations, while being myself willfully blind to the stupidity of such endevours.
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tomato potato. and how do you know, hmm? do you divine the exact information on a case-by-case basis from animal bones and cryptic symbolism in your dreams for every non-socialist on whether they are stupid or willfully blind? i often find myself making such grand generalizations, while being myself willfully blind to the stupidity of such endevours.
Because they wouldn't get to that position if they were just plain stupid. But it's amazing what someone can fail to understand when their livelihood depends on it.
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Look up "criticism of Amazon" or anything like that and you'll see he isn't just a good guy who happened to make a big benevolent corporation. From antitrust practices, to design theft, especially from POC, counterfeit products, special tax deals designed to contribute as little as possible, a significantly negative effect on the environment and more. Add to that Bezos' personal relationships with business and government leaders that are actively trying to keep people poor, including Trump. It's not the good-guy corporation you think it is.
And yes, when you're worth 220 billion dollars and you do nothing positive with it whatsoever, you're problematic, bordering on evil. It's greed. If Bezos gave a flying shit about humanity, imagine what kind of change he could actually do.
It’s not the good-guy corporation you think it is.
Of course. As the saying goes, there are no innocent billionaires.
If Bezos gave a flying shit about humanity, imagine what kind of change he could actually do.
Yes, that would be nice. But it totally shifts the blame away from regular people. We live in a democracy. This entire debate could have been spent on how to improve the world. If we don't have the money, why don't we come up with a plan and ask Bezos for the money if needed? Actually there are so much taxes that society can easily outspend Bezos.
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"We are very proud of this! We are nobodies, we have no money, nothing!" Tommaso Cacciari, from a group calling itself No Space for Bezos, told the BBC.
"We're just citizens who started organising and we managed to move one of the most powerful people in the world - all the billionaires - out of the city."
The wedding kicks off later this week, and has a star-studded guest list of the rich and famous that is rumoured to include Kim Kardashian, Mick Jagger and Leonardo diCaprio, as well as several of the Trumps.
They can have their wedding in one of their beloved tax havens, not in some crumbling city that should be preserved as well as possible.
Doesn't Venice take a tax for each visitor? They should up this as much as possible. If you really want to go there you can pay a 100+ euros.
Don't get me started on cruise ships and the clientele on there.
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It’s not the good-guy corporation you think it is.
Of course. As the saying goes, there are no innocent billionaires.
If Bezos gave a flying shit about humanity, imagine what kind of change he could actually do.
Yes, that would be nice. But it totally shifts the blame away from regular people. We live in a democracy. This entire debate could have been spent on how to improve the world. If we don't have the money, why don't we come up with a plan and ask Bezos for the money if needed? Actually there are so much taxes that society can easily outspend Bezos.
So you do recognise that. Then why are you spending so much energy defending Bezos and people like him?
Sure, regular people should rise up and retake power. Take back resources from the billionaires. Idk who "we" are - but I don't live in USA, and if I did I wouldn't be living in a democracy. There are plenty of plans for how to save the planet and they all include stopping billionaires and fundamentally changing the system. Think Bezos will bankroll it if we ask him nicely?
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Keep on serfin' simp.
You need people to organize and give directions. People on their own are trapped in the routines they have. There will never be built something pretty like Venice without leaders. All you do by making the recognition of leadership toxic is that there won't be leaders [that you can choose or build up] who organize a better life for you.
To add to this:
Venice is the historic city of global trade that is filled with tourist second homes. To celebrate with the inhabitants is simping on its own. The working people don't live in Venice anymore. People who object are other rich people who feel diminished because they cannot rent the city themselves.
The elephant in the room is the introduction of the tourist ticket for Venice. How can Bezos rent the city? He must have bought all tickets for the day. Now, was the ticket introduced by his influence to make that possible? That would be something to object, not the renting itself.
This is the most disgusting comment I've seen on Lemmy. People got priced out, but we sure need leaders so lets bring more rich assholes in to fuck everyone.
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You earlier "If it wasnt for people like bezos venice wouldn't exist!"
you now; "yeah bezos isn't to blame its the system!"
hes part of the system, literally you are going to bat for a rich man then backing down to save face. "please spit in my mouth, bezos!" is your thesis and don't even try to pretend anymore. I would say its you who has double standards here but its clear you have no standards.
keep licking that boot.
Yep. Dude bought the system.
