The best thing you can do for the fediverse is just be kind
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It's specifically the "don't call people Russian trolls/bots"
There are a lot of Right wingers sympathetic to fascist countries right now, and it doesn't matter if it's a troll farm or a regular person pushing hateful ideology it's harmful and unacceptable either way.
Personally I don't see calling people Russian bots/trolls or accepting harmful behaviour as the only available options.
I don't think the former is at all productive or helps anything, and the latter is completely unacceptable. But those aren't our only options when we decide how we want to engage with people we disagree with
and again, fascists are not the only people with whom disagreements happen on lemmy. We're literally disagreeing right now, if you called me a Russian bot I think that would be silly and unproductive. That's literally my whole point. Not everyone you disagree with is arguing in bad faith
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my argument automatically has no merit without you hearing any of it
I did read both of your comments in full and think about them, but if you have more specific thoughts on why you hold the perspective you do I'd be open to hearing them
(full disclosure though, it might take me a bit to get back to you- with how much I've engaged with this thread I'm starting to kinda run out of social energy 
)I guess Ben Shapiro argues with people that aren't media trained to make his stance look better, do you want me to say people Ben Shapiro argues make some awesome argument all the time without exception?
Its a little hard to follow exactly what you mean towards the end, I think there are a couple typos, but no. I just personally see a distinction between productive conversation and making a game of humiliating people buy talking circles around them regardless of the merits of their arguments.
I can't know that you exactly meant the latter, but it's kind of a spectrum and it did sound like you were advocating the idea that it's appropriate to take joy in making people feel foolish for their inability to argue as well as you. I think there's a big difference between the merits of a stance and someone's ability to argue them. That's why I expressed I disagreed. And that's why I made the connection to Ben shapio, he's really good at arguing, and makes sport of trying to make people look bad when they make the sort of arguments I personally agree with.
I'll teach you that it's not on me to make your arguments, get your evidence. I just put it on myself to communicate my arguments and poke holes in other people's arguments
I think I see argument as much less of a zero sum game than you do. I don't wanna score points, I wanna learn about what people think and teach them why I think differently.
You're not wrong to point out flaws in peoples arguments, or to expect them to make their case for themselves, but that's not the same thing as treating it like a game to win. I think the former is appropriate and healthy, I think the latter is destructive and doesn't actually accomplish anything
️Yeah the merit of a stance is different than someone's ability to argue. They're different concepts.
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This sounds dumb.
- Ask people what they think, and why
Why thats none of my business? Presumptuous to think someone should submit themselves to your inquiries.
- Ask yourself if there's something nice you can say
Better yet, ask someone else because you can't be trusted, obviously.
The first was in reference to when someone expresses an idea you don't understand or a perspective you don't share, and the latter was about the tendency to just keep scrolling and say nothing even when you like a post or comment, but I can see why you interpreted them that way.
In my experience when someone is expressing their thoughts they generally take kindly to folks asking them about why they see things the way they do
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You do realize that there are members of marginalized groups who have been elected as republicans
Like there's black republicans
Is voting for them 'blatantly racist'?
If you overuse language it loses some of its meaningWhen you need to resort to "but I have black friends" to defend racism, you've lost.
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Lol so you agree with this post I made just not the other
Oh, I hadn't realized it was the same username! I've replied to like a billion people on this thread, the only usernames I really absorbed are the couple of folks I recognized from prior interactions
But yes, I'd say I agree very much with the idea you expressed in this comment chain and generally disagree with what you said in the other comment exchange. And that's okay! We can share some amount of common ground even if we don't agree on everything
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You have been lied to
instance checks out
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Gotcha, that sucks, but I'm happy you made the journey over to Lemmy!
And oh, no I only just started using it more recently. I don't think the topical kind was ever used by folks who thought it did something for covid anyway. I know there are also oral treatments for rosacea, but I'm not sure if oral antiparasitics are every used, since it's just on the skin of your face that matters.
It also only got a generic over the counter version more recently, if I remember right, but now you can get it as a lotion that's labeled for lice, but for some people it really helps with rosacea (rosacea is one of those really complicated multiple causitive factor health issues that can manifest in serveral different ways that we still only kinda sorta partially understand. Demodex mites seem to play a role in some people but not others, there's a lot of trial and error)
The perscription version sometimes perscribed for rosacea is called Soolantra I think, its really expensive so an over the counter generic is kindof a godsend for folks whose insurance won't cover it
I had no idea about all of that. I really learned something today! Already really like Lemmy and the Fediverse, I feel like most people here put some extra thought and effort into their posts and comments. I've used Reddit since I was 18 and it used to be the same, but as its popularity grew I guess the "wrong" kind of people started joining and participating. I think that's bound to happen with anything that gets really big. I've described some social justice movements the same way, where you had people who genuinely cared in the beginning but eventually as the movement becomes a trend the values and sentiments gets simpler, dumber and eventually unrecognizable from what the initial goal was.
By the way I think there's a little birthday cake next to my username because I created the user today lol.
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Sometimes they literally just are. Not seen it on Lemmy but on Reddit I definitely interacted with users, age under 1 year, all suspiciously pro-Putin. It's rare and I'm looking for it, but still.
It's not rare at all. These people are massive contributers to political/tech communities, thousand plus posts in a year. You'll see them spamming posts about Israel, denying genocide in Ukraine, and misreprsenting to outright lying if you call them on it. All over lemmy.world and lemmy.ml.
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Great post.
To add to this, not resorting to calling others tankies or Russian bots when you have differing opinions, especially around politics.
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I had no idea about all of that. I really learned something today! Already really like Lemmy and the Fediverse, I feel like most people here put some extra thought and effort into their posts and comments. I've used Reddit since I was 18 and it used to be the same, but as its popularity grew I guess the "wrong" kind of people started joining and participating. I think that's bound to happen with anything that gets really big. I've described some social justice movements the same way, where you had people who genuinely cared in the beginning but eventually as the movement becomes a trend the values and sentiments gets simpler, dumber and eventually unrecognizable from what the initial goal was.
By the way I think there's a little birthday cake next to my username because I created the user today lol.
Ohhh, yeah I meant the anniversary of your time on Lemmy, I didn't realize that's today because you just made your account. Welcome!! Lol.
And yeah it's definitely a pattern unfortunately
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When you need to resort to "but I have black friends" to defend racism, you've lost.
I'm not resorting to that.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that the idea that voting Republican is inherently racist, is wrong.
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Personally I don't see calling people Russian bots/trolls or accepting harmful behaviour as the only available options.
I don't think the former is at all productive or helps anything, and the latter is completely unacceptable. But those aren't our only options when we decide how we want to engage with people we disagree with
and again, fascists are not the only people with whom disagreements happen on lemmy. We're literally disagreeing right now, if you called me a Russian bot I think that would be silly and unproductive. That's literally my whole point. Not everyone you disagree with is arguing in bad faith
️If we keep letting Nazis into the bar it becomes a Nazi bar
This is a good principle to learn as to not accidentally validate people with invalid worldviews.
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If we keep letting Nazis into the bar it becomes a Nazi bar
This is a good principle to learn as to not accidentally validate people with invalid worldviews.
I'm very familiar with and agree with the Nazi bar metaphor. At no point have I advocated letting Lemmy be a Nazi bar. And we don't exactly have many fascists here compared to other platforms, Lemmy is almost exclusively leftists.
Being kind to your fellow lemmites is not making this platform a Nazi safe haven, it just makes it a social space actually worth spending time in.
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Spez had his gestapo admins ban a bunch of people after Elon had a fit so you're getting a lot of the terminally online types coming here. My suggestion is just don't give them any attention and they'll eventually give up. I was in a few lefty subs and holy shit you could smell some of the people there just from their comments.
Let's be honest Lemmy has been that way since it started
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Doing a quick look through your comment history paints the picture that you're likely the issue since your responses are often vaguely or overtly aggressive. Snide and snark.
Weird, I don't see anything differing from the norm here
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Aight dude
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Tankies aren't communist.
Authoritarianism is right wing.
Authoritarians can be and ARE either left or right wing.
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Basic history told me that?
Here, check under modern - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine
Okay, you are being purposely obtuse, thanks for clarifying
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You will never be accepted in this space no matter how many alt accounts you make to downvote people.
This isn't reddit you fascist, your tactics don't work here.
I have no problem with them being here
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Name: Christopher "Chris" Alan Whitmore
Date of Birth: July 12, 1993
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:::It was evidently a joke, ffs why is it necessary to explain this?
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