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The best thing you can do for the fediverse is just be kind

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    You have been lied to

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    instance checks out

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    • cris_color@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

      Gotcha, that sucks, but I'm happy you made the journey over to Lemmy!

      And oh, no I only just started using it more recently. I don't think the topical kind was ever used by folks who thought it did something for covid anyway. I know there are also oral treatments for rosacea, but I'm not sure if oral antiparasitics are every used, since it's just on the skin of your face that matters.

      It also only got a generic over the counter version more recently, if I remember right, but now you can get it as a lotion that's labeled for lice, but for some people it really helps with rosacea (rosacea is one of those really complicated multiple causitive factor health issues that can manifest in serveral different ways that we still only kinda sorta partially understand. Demodex mites seem to play a role in some people but not others, there's a lot of trial and error)

      The perscription version sometimes perscribed for rosacea is called Soolantra I think, its really expensive so an over the counter generic is kindof a godsend for folks whose insurance won't cover it

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      I had no idea about all of that. I really learned something today! Already really like Lemmy and the Fediverse, I feel like most people here put some extra thought and effort into their posts and comments. I've used Reddit since I was 18 and it used to be the same, but as its popularity grew I guess the "wrong" kind of people started joining and participating. I think that's bound to happen with anything that gets really big. I've described some social justice movements the same way, where you had people who genuinely cared in the beginning but eventually as the movement becomes a trend the values and sentiments gets simpler, dumber and eventually unrecognizable from what the initial goal was.

      By the way I think there's a little birthday cake next to my username because I created the user today lol.

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        Sometimes they literally just are. Not seen it on Lemmy but on Reddit I definitely interacted with users, age under 1 year, all suspiciously pro-Putin. It's rare and I'm looking for it, but still.

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        It's not rare at all. These people are massive contributers to political/tech communities, thousand plus posts in a year. You'll see them spamming posts about Israel, denying genocide in Ukraine, and misreprsenting to outright lying if you call them on it. All over lemmy.world and lemmy.ml.

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        • K [email protected]

          Great post.

          To add to this, not resorting to calling others tankies or Russian bots when you have differing opinions, especially around politics.

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          Lemmy.ml and lemmy.world are infested with tankies though. It is probably going to make me leave Lemmy. I've already started to discourage people in my life from joining because of how bad political and technological communities are.

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            I had no idea about all of that. I really learned something today! Already really like Lemmy and the Fediverse, I feel like most people here put some extra thought and effort into their posts and comments. I've used Reddit since I was 18 and it used to be the same, but as its popularity grew I guess the "wrong" kind of people started joining and participating. I think that's bound to happen with anything that gets really big. I've described some social justice movements the same way, where you had people who genuinely cared in the beginning but eventually as the movement becomes a trend the values and sentiments gets simpler, dumber and eventually unrecognizable from what the initial goal was.

            By the way I think there's a little birthday cake next to my username because I created the user today lol.

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            Ohhh, yeah I meant the anniversary of your time on Lemmy, I didn't realize that's today because you just made your account. Welcome!! Lol.

            And yeah it's definitely a pattern unfortunately 😕 Lemmy is far from perfect, but it has a chance to be something better than we've had before and I think that's pretty cool 🙂

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              When you need to resort to "but I have black friends" to defend racism, you've lost.

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              I'm not resorting to that.
              I'm not saying that.
              I'm saying that the idea that voting Republican is inherently racist, is wrong.
              This really isn't that complicated.

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              • cris_color@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                Personally I don't see calling people Russian bots/trolls or accepting harmful behaviour as the only available options.

                I don't think the former is at all productive or helps anything, and the latter is completely unacceptable. But those aren't our only options when we decide how we want to engage with people we disagree with

                and again, fascists are not the only people with whom disagreements happen on lemmy. We're literally disagreeing right now, if you called me a Russian bot I think that would be silly and unproductive. That's literally my whole point. Not everyone you disagree with is arguing in bad faith 🤷‍♂️

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                If we keep letting Nazis into the bar it becomes a Nazi bar

                This is a good principle to learn as to not accidentally validate people with invalid worldviews.

                https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nazi_bar

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                  If we keep letting Nazis into the bar it becomes a Nazi bar

                  This is a good principle to learn as to not accidentally validate people with invalid worldviews.

                  https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nazi_bar

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                  I'm very familiar with and agree with the Nazi bar metaphor. At no point have I advocated letting Lemmy be a Nazi bar. And we don't exactly have many fascists here compared to other platforms, Lemmy is almost exclusively leftists.

                  Being kind to your fellow lemmites is not making this platform a Nazi safe haven, it just makes it a social space actually worth spending time in.

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                    Spez had his gestapo admins ban a bunch of people after Elon had a fit so you're getting a lot of the terminally online types coming here. My suggestion is just don't give them any attention and they'll eventually give up. I was in a few lefty subs and holy shit you could smell some of the people there just from their comments.

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                    Let's be honest Lemmy has been that way since it started

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                    • T [email protected]

                      Doing a quick look through your comment history paints the picture that you're likely the issue since your responses are often vaguely or overtly aggressive. Snide and snark.

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                      Weird, I don't see anything differing from the norm here

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                      • banana@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

                        Aight dude

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                          Tankies aren't communist.

                          Authoritarianism is right wing.

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                          Authoritarians can be and ARE either left or right wing.

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                          • S [email protected]

                            Basic history told me that?

                            Here, check under modern - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine

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                            Okay, you are being purposely obtuse, thanks for clarifying

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                              You will never be accepted in this space no matter how many alt accounts you make to downvote people.

                              This isn't reddit you fascist, your tactics don't work here.

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                              I have no problem with them being here

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                                Instructions unclear. Here is your personal info:

                                Name: Christopher "Chris" Alan Whitmore
                                Date of Birth: July 12, 1993
                                Age: 31
                                Gender: Male
                                Address: 4279 Elmridge Avenue, Boulder, CO 80301
                                Phone Number: (720) 555-3942
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                                Instagram: @chris.the.moose

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                                Education:

                                Fairview High School, Boulder, CO (Graduated 2011)

                                University of Colorado Boulder – B.S. in Computer Science (Graduated 2015)


                                Employment:

                                2016–2019: IT Support Specialist at Techfinity Solutions

                                2019–Present: Systems Analyst at VantaByte Technologies, Boulder, CO


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                                iPhone 13 – Chrissy’s iPhone

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                                Xbox Live: WhitByte93


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                                Favorite coffee order: Iced caramel macchiato, oat milk

                                Has a rescue husky named “Niko”

                                Drives a black 2018 Subaru Outback with a "Hack the Planet" bumper sticker

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                                I have successfully sent 132 death threats in total to you and your family members.

                                ::: spoiler disclaimer
                                please mods this whole thing is a joke
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                                It was evidently a joke, ffs why is it necessary to explain this?

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                                  Love you guys

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                                  Hey just so you know Love is actually not up-to-date with the current upstream branch and there are tons of security issues with that, you are going to have to manually upgrade your empathy drivers to keep up with the main One Love development branch.

                                  I prefer to use Spite and just set up my own Love emulation environment within it and honestly because I like to DIY stuff I can't understand that not everyone else wants to DIY everything. People say this isn't something they "love" about me, and to that I repeat what I have repeated here.

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                                    I totally agree with your message.

                                    These days everyone who is not ultra-left easily gets labelled as Nazi, similarly everyone who brings up any rather left argument will be called a woke snowflake.

                                    Thus, any dialog is immediately shut down. Listen, understand, exchange arguments.

                                    That is what unites everyone who believes in liberal values.

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                                    These days everyone who is not ultra-left easily gets labelled as Nazi, similarly everyone who brings up any rather left argument will be called a woke snowflake.

                                    What the hell are you smoking? Have you turned on the news? Paid attention to politicians? Check in with how exactly companies chose to sustain and expand DEI (A <- where did the accessibility go we wonder?) after Trump and DOGE attacked it?

                                    You are so wrong, if the universe repeated at the edge of itself like in the old Asteroids arcade game, you would have long ago crossed into Very Right by slamming straight past the most extreme extent of Completely Wrong.

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                                      What if we had a tribunal instead of moderators? Actually just in the time it took me to write that out I could see it going terribly wrong LMAO

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                                      The point of this system isn't to centralize control under moderators, this isn't some bug to iron out or a duct-tape solution that is meant to be temporary until we can figure out how not to centralize power.

                                      The point of this system is to encourage communities to create an explicit shared set of values, those values have to be attached to a specific community and thus that community will then have specific people tasked with dealing with grey areas and problems that occur when people don't adhere to the values.

                                      People need to stop focusing on the moderators and focus on what it means to be explicit with a positive step forward about proclaiming the kinds of values you want to hold in a shared community space. THAT is what gives this place such immense power to shape the world.

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                                      • cris_color@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                                        I 1000% agree, the design of the space we inhabit shapes our behaviour.

                                        I don't think collectively we can stop at intentionally being kind, but forming a coherent design vision to effectively shape human behaviour and social outcomes as a community project is HARD and legitimately takes an actual vision and understanding of incredibly advanced design cobcepts very few have the experience to have any realy expertise in. Still important, but I think this is an easy way everyone can contribute. Similar to making donations.

                                        They're not the only things we need, but they're a small thing that becomes valuable when the culture decides we collectively prioritize them.

                                        You couldn't possibly be more right though. Erin kissane has talked a fair bit about that idea in her research. If there are specific design features of Lemmy you wish were different I'd be curious to see discussion posts on this comm about how we can design a space that facilitates more compassionate interactions and healthier community! (Or just to hear about them from you if they're not fully formed enough yet to post about 🙂

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                                        I don’t think collectively we can stop at intentionally being kind, but forming a coherent design vision to effectively shape human behaviour and social outcomes as a community project is HARD and legitimately takes an actual vision and understanding of incredibly advanced design cobcepts very few have the experience to have any realy expertise in.

                                        Yeah if you want to get a PHD in this stuff, but you could also just become friends with a bunch of artists and ask them how they like this place, and notice how they talk about it feeling free and vibrant or dead and dying.

                                        By the way, we are already doing this work and it barely feels like we are... because the work is a basic product of the world views, shared values and shared explicit ideological and practical goals of this community space.

                                        You don't need this crazy apparatus to make this place a vibrant garden, having expert gardeners is definitely helpful, but it is about getting out of the way of kindness and empowering kindness, not coming up with some grand unified strategy to manipulate people into being better humans.

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                                        • F [email protected]

                                          The thing in this post about curiosity isn't just a lemmy/online thing.

                                          The vast majority of people are mainly interested in themselves. Like - if you have trouble on dates, making friends, getting along at work, anything to do with people in general - approaching them with a sense of sincere curiosity will completely change things overnight.

                                          Get people to talk about themselves, be supportive in your discussions with them, and shut the fuck up wherever possible and suddenly you're interesting, a good person, kind, whatever - traits you've done exactly fuck all to demonstrate, but that people will swear are true because you seem interested in them.

                                          It's fucking bonkers but it's true. Curiosity can change your world.

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                                          The only humane, sensible and practical definition of intelligence that actually gets you anywhere productive is defining intelligence as a practiced and maintained sense of curiosity about the world around you, especially the world you know little of.

                                          For example, Trump is a fucking idiot, because he never does this ever and neither do people who worship him.

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