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  • P [email protected]

    LLM’s hallucination issue is not much worse than people hallucination issue.

    Is this supposed to be comforting?

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    Yes if you have the skill to handle this.

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    • P [email protected]

      I think framing them as "fears" is dishonest.

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      What is it then? Imagine losing sleep over LLMs while living in a rich country stuffing yourself with pointless entertainment and fast food lol

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      • D [email protected]

        Why? Hiding datacenter energy use is much harder than anything else so it's much easier to regulate.

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        Hiding datacenter energy use is much harder than anything else

        What? Humanity has been able to measure electricity usage since the 19th century. Why do you think we couldn't do it with tech based usage?

        If I understand correctly, you are saying we can both confirm LLM datacenters are using green energy, despite there being no evidence of new green energy sources, and that we're unable to track what energy they use, despite humanities relatively long history of measuring electric usage.

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        • L [email protected]

          I'm not sure this is so much virtues becoming rarer as inconvenient demands emerging: a video that could have been an article is a problem of the modern age.

          Articles can be read quickly & processed structurally by jumping around sections.
          Videos, however, can be agonizing, because they resist that sort of processing.
          Transcripts can alleviate the problem somewhat, but obfuscating them undoes that.
          And we've got things to do.

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          The video probably would have been an apprenticeship in the 1800s

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            Hiding datacenter energy use is much harder than anything else

            What? Humanity has been able to measure electricity usage since the 19th century. Why do you think we couldn't do it with tech based usage?

            If I understand correctly, you are saying we can both confirm LLM datacenters are using green energy, despite there being no evidence of new green energy sources, and that we're unable to track what energy they use, despite humanities relatively long history of measuring electric usage.

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            Dont even know where to start educating you if you think we can just "measure electricity" like it's a single pipe under your sink

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              Dont even know where to start educating you if you think we can just "measure electricity" like it's a single pipe under your sink

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              #326

              https://edisontechcenter.org/Meters.html

              It's funny that you think you have the capacity to educate anyone when you're so blatantly misinformed.

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                https://edisontechcenter.org/Meters.html

                It's funny that you think you have the capacity to educate anyone when you're so blatantly misinformed.

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                Lmao the fact that you think all energy is metered electricity is just peak Dunning Kruger. Get blocked troll.

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                  Lmao the fact that you think all energy is metered electricity is just peak Dunning Kruger. Get blocked troll.

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                  #328

                  Ah so you think datacenters aren't metered. What an interesting existence you live in.

                  P.s: it's Krueger. Not kruger

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                  • M [email protected]

                    I don't know if there's data out there (yet) to support this, but I'm pretty sure constantly using AI rather than doing things yourself degrades your skills in the long run. It's like if you're not constantly using a language or practicing a skill, you get worse at it. The marginal effort that it might save you now will probably have a worse net effect in the long run.

                    It might just be like that social media fad from 10 years ago where everyone was doing it, and then research started popping up that it's actually really fucking terrible for your health.

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                    One of my closest friends uses it for everything and it's becoming really hard to even have a normal conversation with them.

                    I remember hearing that about silicon valley tech bros years ago. They're so used to dealing with robots they kinda forget how to interact with humans. It's so weird. Not even that they're trying to be rude, but they've stopped using the communication skills that are necessary to have human to human interactions.

                    Like people seem to forget how you treat a back and forth conversation with a person vs how you treat it with a robot ready to be at your command and tell you the information you want to hear when you pull your phone out.

                    Then as long as you're done hearing what you wanted, the whole conversation is done. No need to listen to anything else or think that maybe you misunderstood something or were misinformed bc you already did the research with AI.

                    It's so frustrating. This is a normally very smart and caring person I've known for a long time, but I feel like I'm losing a part of them and it's being replaced with something that kinda disgusts me.

                    Then when I try to bring it up they get so defensive about it and go on the attack. It's really like dealing with somebody that has an addiction they can't acknowledge.

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                      #330

                      Anyone else feel like they've lost loved ones to AI or they're in the process of losing someone to AI?

                      I know the stories about AI induced psychosis, but I don't mean to that extent.

                      Like just watching how much somebody close to you has changed now that they depend on AI for so much? Like they lose a little piece of what makes them human, and it kinda becomes difficult to even keep interacting with them.

                      Example would be trying to have a conversation with somebody who expects you to spoon-feed them only the pieces of information they want to hear.

                      Like they've lost the ability to take in new information if it conflicts with something they already believe to be true.

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                      • F [email protected]

                        AI in the context of late-stage capitalism and the beginnings of global ecological collapse is terrible for everyone except for the people who own it.

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                        I would agree that big companies using AI to replace people is bad, but using AI to be more productive and learning/simplifying things is not

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                        • G [email protected]

                          You want other opinions on Lemmy but don't want to start a debate? That is a truly stupid position.

                          If you want to explore the nuances of pro/anti ai, go for it. I'm here with you. The person above made a point that the genie is out of the bottle. Maybe we could discuss focusing on making ai ethical rather that trying to catch smoke with our hands. Let's talk about that. But bringing up a vague concept because you want diverse opinions but refusing to engage? That is seriously dumb.

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                          I don't want to start a debate on this subject, at this time. Others will.

                          I'm just posting to show that not everyone thinks the same. That's it.

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                            I'm not really pro or anti. I use it with appropriate skepticism for certain types of things. I can see how it is extremely problematic in various ways. I would prefer it didn't exist but it does provide utility and it's not going away. I find a lot of the anti crowd to often be kind of silly and childish in a similar way as the extremists in the pro crowd, you can tell they really want to believe what they believe and critical thinking doesn't seem to come into it much.

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                            I mean yea, I'm not for it in the way "all uses are correct", but rather that it's a valid technology to use for some cases and I have a positive feeling towards it. Big companies replacing artists to make more profit sucks, for example

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                              I would agree that big companies using AI to replace people is bad, but using AI to be more productive and learning/simplifying things is not

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                              AI makes people more productive, so companies will use AI to replace people. It literally never works out that the new technology means we have to work less. Like, in a vacuum, AI is cool as hell, but in the context of a real world, we should all be fighting against its rapid deployment with tooth and nail.

                              (and we haven't even gotten into the environmental impacts... which are relegated to a footnote as always these days.)

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                              • O [email protected]

                                I'm sure that's at least part of the idea but I'm yet to see any evidence that it won't also be dog shit at that. It doesn't have the context window or foresight to conceive of a decent plot twist in a piece of fiction despite having access to every piece of fiction ever written. I'm not buying that it would be able to build a psychological model and contextualize 40 plus years of lived experience in a way that could get me to buy a $20 Dubai chocolate bar or drive a Chevy.

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                                Im pretty sure I said "the point of it and not that it was 100% ready to go now.

                                Also, no one thinks advertising works on them. So, I'm sure you don't believe it 👍

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                                  Im pretty sure I said "the point of it and not that it was 100% ready to go now.

                                  Also, no one thinks advertising works on them. So, I'm sure you don't believe it 👍

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                                  It's not going to get there. The idea it's going to turn smart and capable at some undisclosed point in the future as long as we keep giving them billions in investments IS marketing.

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                                    Is that not true?

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                                    People hate llms because it gets them upvotes on lemmy. They don't even know what llm stands for.

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                                      AI makes people more productive, so companies will use AI to replace people. It literally never works out that the new technology means we have to work less. Like, in a vacuum, AI is cool as hell, but in the context of a real world, we should all be fighting against its rapid deployment with tooth and nail.

                                      (and we haven't even gotten into the environmental impacts... which are relegated to a footnote as always these days.)

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                                      Sadly there will always be abuse. Capitalism!

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