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How would you feel about a government agency dedicated to preventing the sale of fake products?

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  • N [email protected]

    Should it fall upon me?

    Would reporting fake products even have an effect? It doesn't seem like an effective system right now, considering all the fake products that get to be sold.

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    Should it fall upon me?

    Maybe.

    One option is a proactively regulated market where only companies pre-approved by the government can sell anything, and every product must be checked and approved before it's offered for sale. Such a market won't have many fake products, but it also won't have much competition or innovation. It's also very likely to attract corruption, where the government conditions approvals on unrelated behavior that the current leadership prefers or requires bribes to do business. We're seeing the former in the USA with the Trump administration for certain types of businesses, and it isn't pretty.

    The current situation for most product categories is a reactively regulated market. Deceptive practices are illegal, but enforcement depends on someone noticing and reporting them. More deceptive products make it to consumers, but more groundbreaking products do as well. It's hard for government officials to blackmail most businesses.

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    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

      I'd go a step further and say it should apply to digital products too.

      Every mobile ad that goes to a product that the ad misrepresents.

      Every mobile ad that won't close when you click "x".

      Every website that loads bogus malware and scareware ads. "YOUR PHONE IS INFECTED!!!"

      The mobile space is, if anything, worse than meatspace for fakery and bullshit.

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      All of those things should be illegal, and many of them are. Ideally, someone would go to jail, but until that happens, might I suggest a solution to block most mobile ads?

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      • vanth@reddthat.comV [email protected]

        Are you in the US?

        If so, it's the Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection.

        Trump ofc tried to replace the commissioners who lead the Bureau. The courts stopped him, at least temporarily, TBH I've lost track of that one. And now he's trying to use the Bureau to go after gender-affirming care. I assume it's something transphobic like, since he believes transgenderism is made up, care to help a person transition would be "fraudulent".

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        The courts stopped him, at least temporarily, TBH I've lost track of that one.

        I've got some bad news for you.

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-trump-ftc/

        The high court said in a brief order that it will also allow Mr. Trump to fire Rebecca Kelly Slaughter from her position at the FTC while it considers the case. It will hear arguments in its December session, and its stay will remain in place until it issues a decision. Justices Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson dissented from the majority's decision to allow Slaughter's removal.

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        • N [email protected]

          Looking at Amazon, Aliexpress, even Walmart, there's a lot of products that aren't what they claim, such as lying about the capacity of batteries. Customers have to figure these things out for themselves and 'metagame' the system.

          I don't think this should be allowed, but what are your thoughts?

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          As others have pointed out, we have agencies to do exactly that, but people voted decisively against them this past election

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          • zak@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

            All of those things should be illegal, and many of them are. Ideally, someone would go to jail, but until that happens, might I suggest a solution to block most mobile ads?

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            Interesting, better or worse than a Pi Hole I wonder? 🤔

            https://pi-hole.net/

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            • N [email protected]

              Looking at Amazon, Aliexpress, even Walmart, there's a lot of products that aren't what they claim, such as lying about the capacity of batteries. Customers have to figure these things out for themselves and 'metagame' the system.

              I don't think this should be allowed, but what are your thoughts?

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              My pessimistic prediction is that it would be toothless, underfunded, and hamstrung by red tape and loopholes. The rules would probably be written by the same corporations this agency is supposed to monitor.

              I’d be in favor of an aggressive, well-funded, and powerful version of this agency, though!

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              • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                Interesting, better or worse than a Pi Hole I wonder? 🤔

                https://pi-hole.net/

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                It works when you're not at home, so probably better for a mobile device.

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                • N [email protected]

                  Looking at Amazon, Aliexpress, even Walmart, there's a lot of products that aren't what they claim, such as lying about the capacity of batteries. Customers have to figure these things out for themselves and 'metagame' the system.

                  I don't think this should be allowed, but what are your thoughts?

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                  Doesn't the trademark protection system exist for that purpose? Just find out which brands are legit and who sells legit brands.

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                  • N [email protected]

                    Looking at Amazon, Aliexpress, even Walmart, there's a lot of products that aren't what they claim, such as lying about the capacity of batteries. Customers have to figure these things out for themselves and 'metagame' the system.

                    I don't think this should be allowed, but what are your thoughts?

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                    #21

                    Conservatives would hate it so it's probably a good idea

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                    • N [email protected]

                      Looking at Amazon, Aliexpress, even Walmart, there's a lot of products that aren't what they claim, such as lying about the capacity of batteries. Customers have to figure these things out for themselves and 'metagame' the system.

                      I don't think this should be allowed, but what are your thoughts?

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                      #22

                      It's called a consumer market authority

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