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  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

    Biden did not order the attacks, stop spreading bullshit. This is solely on Israel.

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    #95

    The genocide would have been impossible without Biden.

    Not without Netanyahu.

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      The genocide would have been impossible without Biden.

      Not without Netanyahu.

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      Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/

      https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/

      They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.

      https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tête-à-tête/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea

      They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.

      Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.

      https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

      Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:

      In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.

      In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.

      Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.

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      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

        Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.

        https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/

        https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/

        They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.

        https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tête-à-tête/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea

        They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.

        Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.

        https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

        Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:

        In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.

        In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.

        Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.

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        Okay cool so you are saying Biden sent weapons to Israel despite Israel not needing them.

        It is funny how Israel disagrees with you.

        Israeli Air Force Official: Without U.S. Aid, Israel Couldn't Fight Gaza Beyond a Few Months

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          Okay cool so you are saying Biden sent weapons to Israel despite Israel not needing them.

          It is funny how Israel disagrees with you.

          Israeli Air Force Official: Without U.S. Aid, Israel Couldn't Fight Gaza Beyond a Few Months

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          Biden sent weapons to Israel to defend against potential attacks from Iran, as is their right.

          https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069

          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo

          Israel then misappropriated the weapons for use in Gaza.

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          • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

            Biden sent weapons to Israel to defend against potential attacks from Iran, as is their right.

            https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069

            https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo

            Israel then misappropriated the weapons for use in Gaza.

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            #99

            So you are conceding that the genocide would have been impossible if Biden did not supply Israel with weapons and admitting I am right.

            Furthermore, can you cite where in your articles it says the bombs which Biden sent were meant to bomb Iran? And where did Biden put the condition that they were not allowed to be used for the genocide but only in case of escaltion with Iran?

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              Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
              Right?

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              #100

              You such a cultist.

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              • N [email protected]

                There are those of us who will never see the protest (non-)voters as allies again due to their willingness to ignore the basic math of the election and enable fascists to win to "prove a point". They are a step away from collaborators and hold part of the responsibility for every person who has been kidnapped by ICE, the end of a possibility of a free Palestine, every murdered protestor, every trans youth who commits suicide because they are denied care, every child that dies from measles.

                Performative bullshit driven by the desire to feel moral superiority while helping get a fascist elected and undoing a century of civil and societal progress doesn't make one an ally. It makes them useful idiots to the far-right and betrayers of people in vulnerable populations, everyone whose life is ruined by global warming.

                I might forgive this who take responsibility and try to lend a hand in the multi-generation effort to try repairing the damage that has been in under 200 days (protest voters have fucked over GenX through Alpha, at the very least). But, as long as I live, I'll not forget, nor will I allow them or anyone else to do so, lest someone make the mistake of thinking that they would stand up for anyone in any effective manner capable of positive change.

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                #101

                You are paying the price of voting for the same two parties for centuries. As for gaza regardless who is in power in the usa it makes zero difference

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                  Well, you got a orange man who wants to accelerate the destruction, ethnically cleanse the population and build a hotel on the ashes. At least he's too dumb to lie about it. Yay?

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                  #102

                  I don't see an acceleration. Israel is trying to kill the most number of palestinians while the united snake send billions to israel

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                  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                    Biden did not order the attacks, stop spreading bullshit. This is solely on Israel.

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                    #103

                    Think a bit before talking. If i give an arm to someone knowing exactly that he will kill domeone then i am complicit with thr crime of murder. Same with biden and trump

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                    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                      Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.

                      https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/

                      https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/

                      They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.

                      https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tête-à-tête/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea

                      They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.

                      Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.

                      https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

                      Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:

                      In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.

                      In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.

                      Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.

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                      #104

                      Why do they recieves billions if they do not need it. Israel economy would have crumbled if they didn't recieve as much aid

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                      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                        Biden sent weapons to Israel to defend against potential attacks from Iran, as is their right.

                        https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo

                        Israel then misappropriated the weapons for use in Gaza.

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                        #105

                        Iran don't want to attack the united statr. Thr united state does

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                        • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                          Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

                          Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

                          Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

                          The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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                          #106

                          "No longer" they didn't pursue it from the start, just pretended to.

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                          • I [email protected]

                            So you are conceding that the genocide would have been impossible if Biden did not supply Israel with weapons and admitting I am right.

                            Furthermore, can you cite where in your articles it says the bombs which Biden sent were meant to bomb Iran? And where did Biden put the condition that they were not allowed to be used for the genocide but only in case of escaltion with Iran?

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                            #107

                            Nope. Israel started the genocide before we sent them a dime of aid and will continue until every Palestinian is dead regardless of how little support we send them.

                            Like I say, sniper bullets are dirt cheap, they don't need our help killing kids.

                            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

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                              Why do they recieves billions if they do not need it. Israel economy would have crumbled if they didn't recieve as much aid

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                              Because politicians need campaign contributions and unless they support Israel, that money not only dries up, but actively gets used against them.

                              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections

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                                Think a bit before talking. If i give an arm to someone knowing exactly that he will kill domeone then i am complicit with thr crime of murder. Same with biden and trump

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                                Problem: That's not why Biden armed Israel.

                                Biden armed Israel under the belief that they would use the weapons for legitimate defense, specifically against Iran. That's a naive assumption, but it was done in good faith.

                                Netanyahu then illegally used the weapons offensively. Apparently nobody has the balls to call him out on it.

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                                  Because politicians need campaign contributions and unless they support Israel, that money not only dries up, but actively gets used against them.

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections

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                                  You basically admit that israel need american politicians to send thrm money and protect them diplomatically for any consequences. It's a win win for israel and the politicians.

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                                  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                                    Problem: That's not why Biden armed Israel.

                                    Biden armed Israel under the belief that they would use the weapons for legitimate defense, specifically against Iran. That's a naive assumption, but it was done in good faith.

                                    Netanyahu then illegally used the weapons offensively. Apparently nobody has the balls to call him out on it.

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                                    Again iran do not want to attack the usa. The usa is the one who want to . The united state been the biggest agressor and bully at least for 50 years.

                                    Your country has no ligitimate defence

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                                    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                                      Nope. Israel started the genocide before we sent them a dime of aid and will continue until every Palestinian is dead regardless of how little support we send them.

                                      Like I say, sniper bullets are dirt cheap, they don't need our help killing kids.

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

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                                      Could Israel flatten all of Gaza with sniper bullets?

                                      Have you seen any actual combat footage from Gaza which is not American F35 planes dropping 2000 pound bombs on tents? There is good reason Israel does not dare to do anything except bomb from the sky.

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                                        Could Israel flatten all of Gaza with sniper bullets?

                                        Have you seen any actual combat footage from Gaza which is not American F35 planes dropping 2000 pound bombs on tents? There is good reason Israel does not dare to do anything except bomb from the sky.

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                                        Nope, but they don't need to do that for a genocide either. It started when they began blocking food and medical supplies in the 90s.

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                                          Again iran do not want to attack the usa. The usa is the one who want to . The united state been the biggest agressor and bully at least for 50 years.

                                          Your country has no ligitimate defence

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                                          We aren't talking about Iran wanting to attack the US, they want to (and repeatedly have) attacked Israel, which is why Biden was supporting Israel.

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