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  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

    Nope, but they don't need to do that for a genocide either. It started when they began blocking food and medical supplies in the 90s.

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    #142

    Wow interesting you sure know a lot about history. Especially all the stuff which somehow makes it not Biden his fault that Israel was committing a full scale genocide which started during his term according to even Wikipedia.

    Remind me who was advocating for Israel back in the 90s

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    • R [email protected]

      For one stop, believing the USA without thinking before

      The USA been voted no to UN resolutions to recognize a Palestinian independent state since 1974.

      I prefer an honest scum who say we oppose a two state solution or any other type of solution than a hypocrite scum who claim to want one

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      #143

      Enjoy trump then 🤷

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      • P [email protected]

        Why treat people with dignity when you can genocide them and grab all that real estate?

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        "They say they'll kill them off, take their land and go there for vacation"

        -Rage Against the Machine

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        • R [email protected]

          I don't see an acceleration. Israel is trying to kill the most number of palestinians while the united snake send billions to israel

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          #145

          united snake

          That's an insult to actual snakes

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            The zionists won. It doesn't need reminding.

            A movement tried to make Palestine a relevant political issue for the electorate. It got stomped out. I don't get this sentiment to keep stomping.

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            The zionists won

            For now. Given what climate change has been doing, it will be short lived. The house always wins

            Of course it's coming for us all eventually. But some places sooner than others.

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            • A [email protected]

              What are you accomplishing here?

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              #147

              Same thing as you, me and everyone else here, I'd wager. Nothing. Welcome to social media.

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              • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

                Were they ever?

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                The people saying a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide definitely believed it

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                • hark@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

                  "but one of them will explicitly make it worse"

                  Biden was making it worse for over a fucking year. Your comic is not clever or informative or even truthful, sorry. I voted for Harris, but I cannot control how others vote. If democrats want votes, they should actually try to get them. Democrats running on "other guy will make it worstester!!!!" while still making things worse themselves is a losing strategy and yet here you are defending it. That's truly a stick-in-spokes maneuver.

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                  Worse than Trump? No.

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                  • hark@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

                    The most basic job responsibility of a politician is to get elected. Democrats' only platform is "at least we're not as bad as the other guys" but the other guys only get worse and worse while democrats follow along, making sure to be just different enough to make people think they have a choice, but not different enough to change the course of our country and its servitude to the ultra-rich.

                    You're arguing with people on here who most likely voted for Harris. I know I did. However, who I vote for doesn't matter when democrats are so bad at looking appealing and fighting for a winning chance that my vote is drowned out by others not paying attention or who are gerrymandered away (or otherwise suppressed).

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                    #150

                    Doesn't matter what the Democrats platform was.

                    If they were concerned about Gaza and didn't vote Harris, then they didn't care about Gaza. Because of them Trump got elected like everyone told them, and made the situation in Gaza worse.

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                    • V [email protected]

                      I think it's a real war already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war

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                      In a sense, yes, but I feel like calling it a war gives some additional credit to Israel while what they do is an one-directional extermination campaign.

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                      • D [email protected]

                        So your argument is that it isn't a human thing and easterners are superior to westerners? Would that be a race thing?

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                        #152

                        Not superior, but different. And yes, tribes are different, of course they are. Completely sober, a group of Germans/Finns and a group of Nigerians/Venezuelans/Algerians are completely different and we both know how. Western Europeans without ideology and morality turn into murderers. History proves it. They have fewer issues in dehumanising others, they sleep well at night in a house they robbed from people they killed (from the Native Americans to the Palestinians). No bs, can you say the same for other people in earnest?

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                          Not superior, but different. And yes, tribes are different, of course they are. Completely sober, a group of Germans/Finns and a group of Nigerians/Venezuelans/Algerians are completely different and we both know how. Western Europeans without ideology and morality turn into murderers. History proves it. They have fewer issues in dehumanising others, they sleep well at night in a house they robbed from people they killed (from the Native Americans to the Palestinians). No bs, can you say the same for other people in earnest?

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                          So you're saying it's a cultural issue. Would you agree then that if easterners were to get culture that would allow them to justify colonization and murder, they would do the same things as westerners?

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                            Not superior, but different. And yes, tribes are different, of course they are. Completely sober, a group of Germans/Finns and a group of Nigerians/Venezuelans/Algerians are completely different and we both know how. Western Europeans without ideology and morality turn into murderers. History proves it. They have fewer issues in dehumanising others, they sleep well at night in a house they robbed from people they killed (from the Native Americans to the Palestinians). No bs, can you say the same for other people in earnest?

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                            Genghis Khan would like a word. So would Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, and Hirohito. Those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head.

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                              Enjoy trump then 🤷

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                              I'm not from the usa. Go join riots against trump instead of defending all the other presidents who support israel unconditionally just like him

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                                united snake

                                That's an insult to actual snakes

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                                The snake was always have negative symbolism . Symbolically it fit the usa and the term united snake sound good to the ear

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                                • C [email protected]

                                  Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
                                  Right?

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                                  The protest voters amounted to some ~800k last time I did my research (check my profile for a post that goes over this).

                                  RFK forgot to pull out of the general election, and he amassed some ~1 million votes.

                                  Literally the Trump admin's own hubris cancelled out the Uncommitted Movement's efforts.

                                  But sure: let's ignore Biden's deep hatred and racism for Palestinians while ignoring that emocrats lost more voters than what new voters became eligible between 2020 & 2024.

                                  Let's also ignore Biden's awful, self-serving aim to run against Trump in 2024, when previously he had said he was a one-term candidate. And this old fuck couldn't back out of the race until he was cumpstered and dumpstered on the national stage, leaving Kamala only months to prepare a campaign. Let's not forget that there were people on voting day that didn't even know Kamala was running (they assumed Biden).

                                  Let's also ignore Kamala's decent into fascism-lite, saying things like "the strongest military in the entire world" at the DNC, following along with right wing framing on immigration, and inviting Liz fucking Cheney on the campaign trail. This is also ignoring Kamala's horrendously tone deaf policies aimed towards business and home owners, when most people don't own businesses and don't own.

                                  There is a generational divide in the country on Gaza. Young people under, say, 40 oppose everything this country has aided and abetted regarding Gaza. Older than 40, people don't give a shit.

                                  So, have you just dated yourself? Are you too much of a bitch and coward to stick up for state mandated murder abroad? Or are you one of those soy libs that ignores all of America's war crimes yet points out everything wrong with China?

                                  American foreign policy is uniparty. If you don't protest that, you're complicit.

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                                    I'm not from the usa. Go join riots against trump instead of defending all the other presidents who support israel unconditionally just like him

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                                    You don't need to be to feel the effects of trump. Ask those Palestinians that will now be ethnically cleansed.

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                                      You don't need to be to feel the effects of trump. Ask those Palestinians that will now be ethnically cleansed.

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                                      If you ask palestinians they will tell you that there is little difference between the two

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                                      • F [email protected]

                                        It's not the handful, unfortunately.

                                        The handful has no real power.

                                        The problem is that 49% on each side flip-flop based on whoever's in power, because their values and opinions are a matter of convenience, and perfectly easy to change with their preferred nightly news broadcast.

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                                        It's not 49%. The split in 2024 was 1/3 R, 1/3 D, 1/3 didn't vote, and ~1% 3rd party.

                                        As the other commenter said, it's a much fewer percentage of the population that sways those 1/3s either in the favor of R or D.

                                        And you'd think Democrats would have chased after the 1/3 that sat at home instead of Rs, but we all know what actually happened

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                                        • D [email protected]

                                          So you're saying it's a cultural issue. Would you agree then that if easterners were to get culture that would allow them to justify colonization and murder, they would do the same things as westerners?

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                                          It's almost entirely cultural, of course, but I do think (I can't prove it, it's just travel and observation) that there are innate psychological differences to people of different tribes. The Congolese, the Austrian and the Nepali are different in a deeper way than nurture can account for, I think.

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