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  • B [email protected]

    You know it's democracy when the policies of 340 million people can flip-flop based on the whims of a handful of moronic hateful shitbirds.

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    It's not the handful, unfortunately.

    The handful has no real power.

    The problem is that 49% on each side flip-flop based on whoever's in power, because their values and opinions are a matter of convenience, and perfectly easy to change with their preferred nightly news broadcast.

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    • rpl6475@lemmy.mlR [email protected]

      How can Israel cede territory that was never theirs?

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      They have nukes and the Palestinians don't. That's how.

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      • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

        Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

        Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

        Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

        The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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        Those probably won’t happen “in our lifetime”, he told the news agency.

        He meant either free Palestine not happen soon or his life ends soon. I think he’s just cursing himself.

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        • C [email protected]

          Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
          Right?

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          Biden is past episode. CUVFEC is the main problem.

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          • F [email protected]

            It's not the handful, unfortunately.

            The handful has no real power.

            The problem is that 49% on each side flip-flop based on whoever's in power, because their values and opinions are a matter of convenience, and perfectly easy to change with their preferred nightly news broadcast.

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            #21

            You're correct in the general sense. But it's not even 49%. It's basically 2-10% of the American electorate. They flip-flop based on their own myopic, selfish impulses, and whatever bullshit they've been fed by the media.

            In 2016 they swung it for Trump because unlike his opponent he's a white guy, they didn't like Clinton, and because Trump's promises of cheaper gas for their big trucks would save them a bit of money each month.

            In 2020 they swung for Biden because he's also a white guy, they had discovered Trump just caused chaos without really delivering any personal benefits to them, and Biden looked like the more stable option for their pocket book.

            In 2024 they swung for Trump again because unlike his opponent he's a white guy, and they apparently have fucking goldfish memories.

            Meanwhile, millions of other people in America and elsewhere in the world are being put through hell to a lesser or greater degree because of these people.

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            • C [email protected]

              Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
              Right?

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              Israel is done. It'll take a few years more, but Trump abandoned Israel and the world is turning its back. Palestine will be free, and only then you also will be free.

              Until then, you'll keep bouncing back between openly fascist and polite fascist like the good little wage slave that you are.

              This was Biden's genocide, you can never take that away from him.

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              • F [email protected]

                Genocide Joe walked so Fascist Donald could run.

                Fascism didn't start in January. It's been a steady, forty-year march aided and abetted by every president since Carter.

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                I generally agree with your premise up until the point where you argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.

                NOTHING has been gained by this, NOTHING changed for the better, it only got harder to bring about change.
                The people who could've mobilized and fought for those causes are now busy trying to stop the gestapo from deporting their neighbors.

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                • L [email protected]

                  I generally agree with your premise up until the point where you argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.

                  NOTHING has been gained by this, NOTHING changed for the better, it only got harder to bring about change.
                  The people who could've mobilized and fought for those causes are now busy trying to stop the gestapo from deporting their neighbors.

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                  argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.

                  Either you're putting up a straw man or you didn't read what I wrote correctly.

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                  • F [email protected]

                    argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.

                    Either you're putting up a straw man or you didn't read what I wrote correctly.

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                    He correctly understood the context in which you wrote it, which was defending fascist-accelerationist non-voters and third-party voters.

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                    • G [email protected]

                      He correctly understood the context in which you wrote it, which was defending fascist-accelerationist non-voters and third-party voters.

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                      #26

                      Okay, Jan.

                      I won't even bother entertaining you or them, but just for funsies, go look up who gave Tom Homan his first federal appointment.

                      You're welcome to your incorrect interpretation, and I hope you have a pleasant evening.

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                      • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                        Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

                        Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

                        Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

                        The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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                        So a one state solution, right?

                        Right?

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                        • rpl6475@lemmy.mlR [email protected]

                          How can Israel cede territory that was never theirs?

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                          In their minds, they've made up a fake alternate history where it all belongs to them.

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                          • M [email protected]

                            I mean as disgusting as this is he is really just saying the quiet part loud. There was never any plan to give the Palestinians a state. Oslo was a con to legitimise land confiscation and to neutralise the Palestinian resistance of the time (the PLO).

                            The US did literally nothing while the Zionists flooded the West Bank with settlements over the last 30 years but kept up the "2 state solution" as a rhetorical shield.

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                            People just like to pretend the quite part "aka Biden - Obama policies" was never been there.

                            If at any given point, the US said "sanction for two state solution" it will take a few months before they come to a solution.

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                            • 3 [email protected]

                              Israel is done. It'll take a few years more, but Trump abandoned Israel and the world is turning its back. Palestine will be free, and only then you also will be free.

                              Until then, you'll keep bouncing back between openly fascist and polite fascist like the good little wage slave that you are.

                              This was Biden's genocide, you can never take that away from him.

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                              This is a pathetic take.

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                              • F [email protected]

                                Okay, Jan.

                                I won't even bother entertaining you or them, but just for funsies, go look up who gave Tom Homan his first federal appointment.

                                You're welcome to your incorrect interpretation, and I hope you have a pleasant evening.

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                                It’s a correct interpretation dude. You may not like it, but it’s correct.

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                                • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                  Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

                                  Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

                                  Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

                                  The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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                                  The messaging changed, but the policy didn't

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                                  • L [email protected]

                                    So a one state solution, right?

                                    Right?

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                                    #33

                                    Technically, yes. A final solution if you will

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                                    • C [email protected]

                                      Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
                                      Right?

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                                      Oh boy you rustled some jimmies. Idk that I've seen a single comment where every response was down voted for being shitty takes.

                                      I'm sure all of those third party and non voters are jerking off all over themselves for saving Palestine and ending the genocide through Donald Trump.

                                      Hey, at least they've got their pedestals to look down on us from.

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                                      • C [email protected]

                                        Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
                                        Right?

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                                        As a lib I am deeply ashamed that we have missed a historic opportunity of electing a black woman to unquestioningly, unequivocally and fully support the destruction of Palestine all the while lying about "working round the clock to stop the Israel-Hamas war".

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                                        • C [email protected]

                                          Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
                                          Right?

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                                          The zionists won. It doesn't need reminding.

                                          A movement tried to make Palestine a relevant political issue for the electorate. It got stomped out. I don't get this sentiment to keep stomping.

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