US ambassador to Israel says US no longer pursuing goal of independent Palestinian state
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Some of them I'm sure thought it, but definitely a minority. It's the fact that Gaza was used as a means to target Harris, and against all evidence suggesting it would be the same or worse, didn't do the same to condemn Trump.
Or she could’ve just not had a genocidal platform. That would have made things much easier.
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She would have been better for the world as a whole than Trump. If you truely think that things would have played out exactly the same in Gaza with Harris as POTUS, then it still comes down to two candidates last November, and every person knew that one of them would win. So a vote for Trump, a non vote, or a third party vote directly benefited Trump.
"Oh but I voted against genocide", fuck no you didn't. You voted in a manner that directly put Trump in charge, which was the worst possible outcome.
To be clear, I voted for Harris, and I implored everyone I know to vote for Harris, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I will always vote for the farthest-left candidate in the general, full-stop. I'm not arguing that both sides are the same, or that Harris wouldn't have been a better choice for 100 reasons outside of the genocide issue. I'm arguing that Harris gave no indication that she would defend Palestine or even recognize the genocide at all. She might well have done those things, but she didn't campaign on that, so I don't know why anyone is defending her on the issue. Establishment Dems can't seem to get it through their heads that progressive policies are popular, so we keep getting general elections between an absolute monster and a neolib Dem saying, "Vote for me or you'll get the monster!" That might be the reality, but it's not a platform.
I live in a blue state, and I had people around me arguing that whether they voted third-party or didn't vote at all, they would be able to sleep at night knowing that A. they didn't vote for genocide and B. the state would go blue anyway. I don't agree with that position at all. I want third parties to be represented in the US, but that starts at the local level and in the primaries. By the general election it's too late and we realistically have two options. I also believe that shutting down any criticism of the Dem candidate (e.g. a now-banned user told me to kill myself) is a good way to alienate people and discourage them from engaging with the process at all. The right has banned nuance from their discourse, and I refuse to allow the same thing to happen around me.
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It could be argued that trump is actually better for the world (but not for the US) since he's ruining the US's soft power by tearing up alliances and expressing blatant corruption, making the US look incompetent and completely untrustworthy. Now other countries are finding alternatives, making the US not as central as it used to be. He is perhaps the most effective tool in helping the US empire fall.
You could also argue that this is accelerationism, but to be fair, democrats take advantage of accelerationism all the time (e.g. "republicans have repealed reproductive rights, donate even more money to us so we can fight it" while letting things get worse and worse, barely putting up a fight to make long-lasting changes and indeed letting things get this bad so they can position themselves as the only "solution").
wrote on last edited by [email protected]All, unfortunately, true.
Edit: Unfortunate for us in the US, not necessarily unfortunate for the rest of the world in some aspects. I still think as a whole his influence and other actions probably still make him worse for the world, but there is a valid argument about nations growing less dependent on the US.
Hopefully in 3.5 years (or please God, less), the US will be knocked down a peg on the world stage, other nations have a more diverse and stable trade relationships, and maybe Trump's actions will help spark other countries into action against hard right politics to prevent the same thing from happening to them. Ideally, this could be a catalyst for positive change, but I'm not holding my breath.
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The most basic job responsibility of a politician is to get elected. Democrats' only platform is "at least we're not as bad as the other guys" but the other guys only get worse and worse while democrats follow along, making sure to be just different enough to make people think they have a choice, but not different enough to change the course of our country and its servitude to the ultra-rich.
You're arguing with people on here who most likely voted for Harris. I know I did. However, who I vote for doesn't matter when democrats are so bad at looking appealing and fighting for a winning chance that my vote is drowned out by others not paying attention or who are gerrymandered away (or otherwise suppressed).
I'm specifically arguing with/against non voters, 3rd party voters, and Trump voters. I also pinched my nose and voted for Harris in November. I'm not going to argue for the democratic party, because it's the second worst major party in the US, and they suck. Unfortunately, we are a FPtP nation, so in the general we get two options and get to pick who's less bad. Lot's of people that voted for Harris did so with that in mind.
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No it wasn't. That's disregarding a heap of systemic criticism and historical and moral considerations.
It was, because that's reality. It does disregard a lot of criticism, because again, at the end of the day, there were two candidates, and one was going to win. Harris wasn't, imo, a good candidate, but Trump was a far worse.
In the US, it's been that way for the better part of the past century, because FPtP always devolves to a two party system. This past election was no different.
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Or she could’ve just not had a genocidal platform. That would have made things much easier.
You're right, it would have, but the reality was Trump or Harris. It was still an extremely easy decision, but it would have been better if the less shitty candidate was even less shitty.
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To be clear, I voted for Harris, and I implored everyone I know to vote for Harris, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I will always vote for the farthest-left candidate in the general, full-stop. I'm not arguing that both sides are the same, or that Harris wouldn't have been a better choice for 100 reasons outside of the genocide issue. I'm arguing that Harris gave no indication that she would defend Palestine or even recognize the genocide at all. She might well have done those things, but she didn't campaign on that, so I don't know why anyone is defending her on the issue. Establishment Dems can't seem to get it through their heads that progressive policies are popular, so we keep getting general elections between an absolute monster and a neolib Dem saying, "Vote for me or you'll get the monster!" That might be the reality, but it's not a platform.
I live in a blue state, and I had people around me arguing that whether they voted third-party or didn't vote at all, they would be able to sleep at night knowing that A. they didn't vote for genocide and B. the state would go blue anyway. I don't agree with that position at all. I want third parties to be represented in the US, but that starts at the local level and in the primaries. By the general election it's too late and we realistically have two options. I also believe that shutting down any criticism of the Dem candidate (e.g. a now-banned user told me to kill myself) is a good way to alienate people and discourage them from engaging with the process at all. The right has banned nuance from their discourse, and I refuse to allow the same thing to happen around me.
I agree with you on everything you wrote.
I'm not trying to say that Harris would have been good for Palestine, or even a good POTUS. I'm saying she was the less bad option overall in the election. I don't know that anything would be different with Israel had she won, but I think there was a better chance that she would have done something good over Trump doing something good. That could still be a negligible chance, but it was the better of two chances.
Like you said, local elections and primaries (when they're held, but that's separate from this overall conversation) are when to vote for different parties and more fringe candidates. One of two people is already the winner in the election by the time November rolls around, so it comes down to least bad.
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Oh boy you rustled some jimmies.
That might be an understatement lol.
I'm still getting comments, threats, and suggestions to commit suicide on this post, and other comments and posts I've made going back at least a year.They're so mad they're been browsing my comment history to find more things to get pissed off about lol.
I love pissing off fascists and all the attention let's me know I'm on the right track.I think for everyone who can not, for one reason or another, go out in the streets and shout "what the fuck are we doing?", the next best, most morally correct thing to do is to piss fascists off and waste their time.
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Congrats to the democrats for prioritizing genocide over beating trump, I guess.
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the fact I made this months ago and people like you are still proving it relevant is hilarious, though I suppose the second panel should be "third party/not at all/for trump" in this context
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Israel has a very successful gamble in showing they are the white man's key to the Middle East. For as long as no one wills to find another ally in the region, Israel oversells itself as a one. And as any other bad example of putting all eggs in one basket, Israel felt the dependency other states have in it, and now tests it, tests it, tests it with no negative response.
Palestine and Gaza are just them dipping their toes to know, if they can get scots-free from shooting weak HAMAS and civs and get into a real war Netanyahu's cabinet already planning. It's 2025 and in the coming years we'd see even more violence from that beloved partner if no one pulls the stop lever.
I can buy that. I fully believe that from their beginning, Israel has known that someday they will have to clear out the Palestinians, and Oct 7 provided the excuse for them to finally say "Today's the day."
I also fully believe that they've had that same mindset toward the rest of the Middle East. They know that eventually they will have to settle their differences with their Muslim neighbors, and it won't be with good-faith negotiations. And the Muslim countries have the exact same mindset. It is only a matter of time before they go at each other full force, and this Gaza Genocide does look like a dress rehearsal.
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Congrats to the democrats for prioritizing genocide over beating trump, I guess.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]In their defense, it's very expected that some people can be so stupid as to think Trump was not going to be worse for Gaza. And Ukraine. And Europe. And US. But I guess you are.
That's why they can you "useful idiot"
Edit: to be clear, I don't mean "you" in particular, but those like you in general.
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the fact I made this months ago and people like you are still proving it relevant is hilarious, though I suppose the second panel should be "third party/not at all/for trump" in this context
"but one of them will explicitly make it worse"
Biden was making it worse for over a fucking year. Your comic is not clever or informative or even truthful, sorry. I voted for Harris, but I cannot control how others vote. If democrats want votes, they should actually try to get them. Democrats running on "other guy will make it worstester!!!!" while still making things worse themselves is a losing strategy and yet here you are defending it. That's truly a stick-in-spokes maneuver.
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In their defense, it's very expected that some people can be so stupid as to think Trump was not going to be worse for Gaza. And Ukraine. And Europe. And US. But I guess you are.
That's why they can you "useful idiot"
Edit: to be clear, I don't mean "you" in particular, but those like you in general.
it’s very expected that some people can be so stupid
But I guess you are.
It's obvious that you're calling me stupid and an idiot. You assign behaviors that you think apply to me and then say that those behaviors make one a useful idiot. I know you're just trying to skirt rule 5, but this has got to be one of the most pathetic attempts I've seen.
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it’s very expected that some people can be so stupid
But I guess you are.
It's obvious that you're calling me stupid and an idiot. You assign behaviors that you think apply to me and then say that those behaviors make one a useful idiot. I know you're just trying to skirt rule 5, but this has got to be one of the most pathetic attempts I've seen.
Why am I skirting any rule? Those like you include you. I've even said explicitly on your quote.
You were fooled and you're trying to defend it as some form of moral superiority. You don't care about Gaza, you care more about not admitting you were wrong.
Go ahead and report me, just be careful to not fall from your high horse.
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Why treat people with dignity when you can genocide them and grab all that real estate?
Israel: "Don't say it out loud! Oh, what does it matter? Now everyone knows!"
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Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’
Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.
Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”
The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.
"No longer".
It is great that the Trump administration is dropping the fake pretenses.
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Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
Right?Remember when Biden literally voted against the two-state solution at the UN?
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Biden did not order the attacks, stop spreading bullshit. This is solely on Israel.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The genocide would have been impossible without Biden.
Not without Netanyahu.
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The genocide would have been impossible without Biden.
Not without Netanyahu.
Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/
They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.
They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.
Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.
https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel
Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:
In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.
In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.
Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.
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Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/
They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.
They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.
Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.
https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel
Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:
In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.
In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.
Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.
Okay cool so you are saying Biden sent weapons to Israel despite Israel not needing them.
It is funny how Israel disagrees with you.
Israeli Air Force Official: Without U.S. Aid, Israel Couldn't Fight Gaza Beyond a Few Months
