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  • hark@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

    Congrats to the democrats for prioritizing genocide over beating trump, I guess.

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    #88

    In their defense, it's very expected that some people can be so stupid as to think Trump was not going to be worse for Gaza. And Ukraine. And Europe. And US. But I guess you are.

    That's why they can you "useful idiot"

    Edit: to be clear, I don't mean "you" in particular, but those like you in general.

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    • A [email protected]

      the fact I made this months ago and people like you are still proving it relevant is hilarious, though I suppose the second panel should be "third party/not at all/for trump" in this context

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      #89

      "but one of them will explicitly make it worse"

      Biden was making it worse for over a fucking year. Your comic is not clever or informative or even truthful, sorry. I voted for Harris, but I cannot control how others vote. If democrats want votes, they should actually try to get them. Democrats running on "other guy will make it worstester!!!!" while still making things worse themselves is a losing strategy and yet here you are defending it. That's truly a stick-in-spokes maneuver.

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        In their defense, it's very expected that some people can be so stupid as to think Trump was not going to be worse for Gaza. And Ukraine. And Europe. And US. But I guess you are.

        That's why they can you "useful idiot"

        Edit: to be clear, I don't mean "you" in particular, but those like you in general.

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        #90

        it’s very expected that some people can be so stupid

        But I guess you are.

        It's obvious that you're calling me stupid and an idiot. You assign behaviors that you think apply to me and then say that those behaviors make one a useful idiot. I know you're just trying to skirt rule 5, but this has got to be one of the most pathetic attempts I've seen.

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        • hark@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

          it’s very expected that some people can be so stupid

          But I guess you are.

          It's obvious that you're calling me stupid and an idiot. You assign behaviors that you think apply to me and then say that those behaviors make one a useful idiot. I know you're just trying to skirt rule 5, but this has got to be one of the most pathetic attempts I've seen.

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          #91

          Why am I skirting any rule? Those like you include you. I've even said explicitly on your quote.

          You were fooled and you're trying to defend it as some form of moral superiority. You don't care about Gaza, you care more about not admitting you were wrong.

          Go ahead and report me, just be careful to not fall from your high horse.

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          • P [email protected]

            Why treat people with dignity when you can genocide them and grab all that real estate?

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            Israel: "Don't say it out loud! Oh, what does it matter? Now everyone knows!"

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            • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

              Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

              Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

              Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

              The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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              #93

              "No longer".

              It is great that the Trump administration is dropping the fake pretenses.

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              • C [email protected]

                Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
                Right?

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                Remember when Biden literally voted against the two-state solution at the UN?

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                • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                  Biden did not order the attacks, stop spreading bullshit. This is solely on Israel.

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                  #95

                  The genocide would have been impossible without Biden.

                  Not without Netanyahu.

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                    The genocide would have been impossible without Biden.

                    Not without Netanyahu.

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                    #96

                    Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.

                    https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/

                    https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/

                    They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.

                    https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tête-à-tête/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea

                    They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.

                    Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.

                    https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

                    Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:

                    In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.

                    In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.

                    Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.

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                    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                      Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.

                      https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/

                      https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/

                      They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.

                      https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tête-à-tête/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea

                      They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.

                      Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.

                      https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

                      Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:

                      In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.

                      In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.

                      Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.

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                      Okay cool so you are saying Biden sent weapons to Israel despite Israel not needing them.

                      It is funny how Israel disagrees with you.

                      Israeli Air Force Official: Without U.S. Aid, Israel Couldn't Fight Gaza Beyond a Few Months

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                        Okay cool so you are saying Biden sent weapons to Israel despite Israel not needing them.

                        It is funny how Israel disagrees with you.

                        Israeli Air Force Official: Without U.S. Aid, Israel Couldn't Fight Gaza Beyond a Few Months

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                        Biden sent weapons to Israel to defend against potential attacks from Iran, as is their right.

                        https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo

                        Israel then misappropriated the weapons for use in Gaza.

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                        • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                          Biden sent weapons to Israel to defend against potential attacks from Iran, as is their right.

                          https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069

                          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo

                          Israel then misappropriated the weapons for use in Gaza.

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                          So you are conceding that the genocide would have been impossible if Biden did not supply Israel with weapons and admitting I am right.

                          Furthermore, can you cite where in your articles it says the bombs which Biden sent were meant to bomb Iran? And where did Biden put the condition that they were not allowed to be used for the genocide but only in case of escaltion with Iran?

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                            Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
                            Right?

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                            You such a cultist.

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                              There are those of us who will never see the protest (non-)voters as allies again due to their willingness to ignore the basic math of the election and enable fascists to win to "prove a point". They are a step away from collaborators and hold part of the responsibility for every person who has been kidnapped by ICE, the end of a possibility of a free Palestine, every murdered protestor, every trans youth who commits suicide because they are denied care, every child that dies from measles.

                              Performative bullshit driven by the desire to feel moral superiority while helping get a fascist elected and undoing a century of civil and societal progress doesn't make one an ally. It makes them useful idiots to the far-right and betrayers of people in vulnerable populations, everyone whose life is ruined by global warming.

                              I might forgive this who take responsibility and try to lend a hand in the multi-generation effort to try repairing the damage that has been in under 200 days (protest voters have fucked over GenX through Alpha, at the very least). But, as long as I live, I'll not forget, nor will I allow them or anyone else to do so, lest someone make the mistake of thinking that they would stand up for anyone in any effective manner capable of positive change.

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                              #101

                              You are paying the price of voting for the same two parties for centuries. As for gaza regardless who is in power in the usa it makes zero difference

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                                Well, you got a orange man who wants to accelerate the destruction, ethnically cleanse the population and build a hotel on the ashes. At least he's too dumb to lie about it. Yay?

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                                I don't see an acceleration. Israel is trying to kill the most number of palestinians while the united snake send billions to israel

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                                • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                                  Biden did not order the attacks, stop spreading bullshit. This is solely on Israel.

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                                  Think a bit before talking. If i give an arm to someone knowing exactly that he will kill domeone then i am complicit with thr crime of murder. Same with biden and trump

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                                    Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.

                                    https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/

                                    https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/

                                    They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.

                                    https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tête-à-tête/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea

                                    They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.

                                    Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.

                                    https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

                                    Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:

                                    In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.

                                    In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.

                                    Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.

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                                    Why do they recieves billions if they do not need it. Israel economy would have crumbled if they didn't recieve as much aid

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                                    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                                      Biden sent weapons to Israel to defend against potential attacks from Iran, as is their right.

                                      https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069

                                      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo

                                      Israel then misappropriated the weapons for use in Gaza.

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                                      Iran don't want to attack the united statr. Thr united state does

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                                      • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                        Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

                                        Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

                                        Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

                                        The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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                                        "No longer" they didn't pursue it from the start, just pretended to.

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                                        • I [email protected]

                                          So you are conceding that the genocide would have been impossible if Biden did not supply Israel with weapons and admitting I am right.

                                          Furthermore, can you cite where in your articles it says the bombs which Biden sent were meant to bomb Iran? And where did Biden put the condition that they were not allowed to be used for the genocide but only in case of escaltion with Iran?

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                                          Nope. Israel started the genocide before we sent them a dime of aid and will continue until every Palestinian is dead regardless of how little support we send them.

                                          Like I say, sniper bullets are dirt cheap, they don't need our help killing kids.

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

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