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    Writers need to be interpreted, because it's unlikely that they actually understand what they wrote. Therefore, when employing a novel to address a problem, my interpretation is probably more important than the original work.

    I took them some of the most elaborate passages in their own writings, and asked what was the meaning of them - thinking that they would teach me something. Will you believe me? I am almost ashamed to speak of this, but still I must say that there is hardly a person present who would not have talked better about their poetry than they did themselves. That showed me in an instant that not by wisdom do poets write poetry, but by a sort of genius and inspiration; they are like diviners or soothsayers who also say many fine things, but do not understand the meaning of them.

    It's not even clear that Bram Stoker had a good understanding of the word "Dracula": https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2467&v=BvFwqVzEsfw&feature=youtu.be

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    That's genuinely quite interesting, thank you! 🤩🤓

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      Well by that logic, if you found a vampire's lair /tomb while they slept, and then three a tent over it, wouldn't that cause them to die?

      I'm def of the opinion its all about entering a building (not necessarily about being in one).

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      Wait but if building a tent around it doesn't kill them, which I agree with, it means that they would be allowed in if the domicile was formed around them without their knowing.

      So by that logic, do Vampires get squatters rights?

      If they get into a domicile not knowing there is an owner, then the owner arrives, are they ejected or are they allowed to stay? What if you build your house on top of the entrance to their tomb? Are they forced to ask permission to leave their tomb and thus enter your domicile?

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        Vampires are older than property law, I think the power that keeps them out comes from physically dwelling in the place. As long as they're still living there, regardless of what a judge decided, it's their home as far as a vampire is concerned. Otherwise they could just ask each other for permission to enter someone else's house. I'm trying to remember if this came up in Buffy...

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        What if they are renting?

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          Y'all this one is simple.

          Legally, yes.

          Physically (for supernatural reasons), no.

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          What if they're serving an eviction notice and it's no longer your home?

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            A vampire police officer would have to abide by both rules. They would need a warrant and an invite. A warrant is legal permission, but not an invite.

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            • filtoid@lemmy.mlF [email protected]

              What if they're serving an eviction notice and it's no longer your home?

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              Then you don't have the authority to grant them entrance

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                A vampire police officer would have to abide by both rules. They would need a warrant and an invite. A warrant is legal permission, but not an invite.

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                No they wouldn’t tbh

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                • corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

                  What if they are renting?

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                  It is still YOUR house bc you live and sleep and eat there

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                  • bizzle@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                    Hey, I'm an amateur vampirologist. Feel free to tell me to go F myself if you disagree, but here are my thoughts.

                    In most media I've seen it's not the property line, it's specifically the house.

                    Subletting leads to an interesting conundrum that I'll have to explore more but on its face I think it checks out. I also think it's very silly and would love to see a work that explored this.

                    As I understand it, you'd have to build them pretty close together so it couldn't escape, especially if it can turn into mist or fly, but theoretically I think that would work too if you could build fast enough.

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                    BRB writing a new movie about a vampire airbnb guest

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                      I wonder how this would interact with, say, Manhattan's Eruv—a wire used by some Jews to demark a private space.

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                      This and lucky horseshoe or salt lines can repel

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                        Ok but what if I only invite him into my shed and then keep him chained up in there?

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                          Then you don't have the authority to grant them entrance

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                          You technically aren't evicted until you're served the notice

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                            Wait but if building a tent around it doesn't kill them, which I agree with, it means that they would be allowed in if the domicile was formed around them without their knowing.

                            So by that logic, do Vampires get squatters rights?

                            If they get into a domicile not knowing there is an owner, then the owner arrives, are they ejected or are they allowed to stay? What if you build your house on top of the entrance to their tomb? Are they forced to ask permission to leave their tomb and thus enter your domicile?

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                            If they get into a domicile not knowing there is an owner, then the owner arrives

                            I don't think it's based on knowledge, I think they would be prevented from entering regardless

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                              You technically aren't evicted until you're served the notice

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                              Haha good luck with that vampire man

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                                Yes, a vampire could enter with a warrant, whether or not you invited him in. The state ultimately 'owns' your property; if it didn't, then it couldn't kick you out and seize it if you don't pay property taxes. So therefore the state has the authority to give a vampire the right to enter your dwelling. (But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn't have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.) Similarly, if you rented an apartment, your landlord could give a vampire permission to enter for a valid reason, e.g., the vampire worked maintenance, and you had a water leak that was damaging another apartment and needed immediate access.

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                                  Yes, a vampire could enter with a warrant, whether or not you invited him in. The state ultimately 'owns' your property; if it didn't, then it couldn't kick you out and seize it if you don't pay property taxes. So therefore the state has the authority to give a vampire the right to enter your dwelling. (But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn't have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.) Similarly, if you rented an apartment, your landlord could give a vampire permission to enter for a valid reason, e.g., the vampire worked maintenance, and you had a water leak that was damaging another apartment and needed immediate access.

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                                  But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.

                                  Vampires make better cops than real ones?!

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                                    I sent this to my friend group and got the response that if you pay taxes, they can enter with the warrant alone.

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                                      This is the answer I choose to accept.

                                      “Can I enter your home to arrest you?”

                                      “I don’t know officer squints eyes ..can you?”

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                                      "I am not resisting arrest. I am merely standing inside my home to be arrested. Why would I step outside to be arrested?

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                                        It is still YOUR house bc you live and sleep and eat there

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                                        But that's kinda the flaw in all of it. If I live with other people, any one of them can let the vampire in, but he never got permission from me then it's not about individual permission.

                                        If we say anyone with authority over the space can let someone in, then that would probably extend to the law or property owners.

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                                          Must be dumb friends. The answer is no.

                                          A warrant isn't permission from the owner, or anyone inside the house.

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