Are you a law-abiding citizen?
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If I own something I can put it to any lawful use without restriction or compensation. Neither taxation nor seizure for failure to pay taxes are anything like ownership.
Your mental picture fails to encompass the nuance which indeed isn't particularly subtle.
"If I own something I can put it to any lawful use without restriction or compensation."
This also applies to my rental property, because it would be unlawful for me to use it in a way that violates my lease. If someone else gets to tell you what you can and can't do with your property, is it really your property? Whether that's because you signed a contract saying "I won't grow pot here," or you live in a region where local authorities can simply declare that you aren't allowed to grow pot there, I don't see the meaningful distinction. Of course, the concept of ownership is an ill-defined social construct to begin with, so this kind of disagreement is irreconcilable. We simply have different ideas of what defines "ownership."
As such, whether a vampire cop can enter your property using a warrant depends on whether the vampire understands it to be permission. QED
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Wait but if building a tent around it doesn't kill them, which I agree with, it means that they would be allowed in if the domicile was formed around them without their knowing.
So by that logic, do Vampires get squatters rights?
If they get into a domicile not knowing there is an owner, then the owner arrives, are they ejected or are they allowed to stay? What if you build your house on top of the entrance to their tomb? Are they forced to ask permission to leave their tomb and thus enter your domicile?
Maybe they're just paralyzed? I like the lore implications of that. Could be a run plot device to kick off a "why Dracula's been gone for the last 200 years and suddenly popped up again"
I could just see a division of a larger vampire hunting organization calling themselves "The Campers" who's whole mission is to find vampires and set up a tent over their resting places.
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What if you're renting? What if the house was appropriated? What if there's a land dispute? What if the land was appropriated? What if it fall under imminent domain? What if it's split ownership? What if there's a dissociative personality involved?
There's so much to be straight up dismissive as "they're dumb friends".
[In the US] A warrant is permission from the representative of a governmental entity that is ultimately in charge of the land and could legally take it from you, so if theydo take it from you, do you still own it? Even if you can't get it back? By that logic does the US own any of the land, since it was first the land of a different peoples?
All of those things (Landlords, disputed owners, etc.) don't apply if they aren't in the house.
This is really that simple.
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but it's a cop so likely won't be following the rules even for a vampire
Lol, well you have a point there.
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Actually the answer is yes, you mention ownership as a key thing for your logic. Hence ownership is transferred to owners, managers of managers, bosses of bosses, etc. Hence yes they would be allowed.
You however misunderstand the implications of vampires. Vampires are essentially a criticism of the old who have lived to long, grown withered and cold. Husks of man with no life or soul left to gleam joy.
However they still don the mask of man and must weave within society. They are bound to be polite as they are not to arouse alarm, the alarm will be the corpse they leave behind. The youth they have sapped and the decrepit infection he has implanted.
Come on man, seems like an obvious metaphor for old men being polite and exploiting young women for the sake of 'new blood' or allusions to virginity. The yes is not about ownership, it is about concent.
If the owner isn't in the house, then they don't have any right to give permission.
Vampires don't care about mortal laws.
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This person has no friend groups
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So the legal owner loses the deed and the squatters evacuate.
Now the state gets an extra house.if thats the case, that means no one was the trully living there, so it's better to open it for someone else rather than leave it vacant.
(if the squatters really lived there instead of just crashing there for a couple nights then they would have gotten there house)
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"If I own something I can put it to any lawful use without restriction or compensation."
This also applies to my rental property, because it would be unlawful for me to use it in a way that violates my lease. If someone else gets to tell you what you can and can't do with your property, is it really your property? Whether that's because you signed a contract saying "I won't grow pot here," or you live in a region where local authorities can simply declare that you aren't allowed to grow pot there, I don't see the meaningful distinction. Of course, the concept of ownership is an ill-defined social construct to begin with, so this kind of disagreement is irreconcilable. We simply have different ideas of what defines "ownership."
As such, whether a vampire cop can enter your property using a warrant depends on whether the vampire understands it to be permission. QED
The entire planet understands what ownership means you are basically alone in misunderstanding
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The power that repels the vampire is supposedly god, which is supposedly stronger than the US Gov (citation needed) meaning no.
However a good question is what exactly is a home and does it need to be sanctified? Can a Vampire enter a graveyard blessed by a cardinal when a groundskeeper lives on the far side?
Being as that god is typically considered to be the Christian God, then the dogmatic principle of, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" should come into play, at least in the western world. Their invitation is from the true owner of the home, the state, which supersedes the current occupants authority as, "all nations are created by God".
However there may be some concept of primacy of house and home that in God's eyes turns out to be more important than the political societal contract we live under that has an exemption for protection from evil supernatural entities, as otherwise a long-lived vampire could simply manipulate the population to get themselves elected as a ruler and cause the citizens to lose one of their fundamental protections from the denizens of the night.
That being said, most law-abiding homeowners would probably permit the entry based on the existence of the warrant by default, so it's likely a moot point.
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but it's a cop so likely won't be following the rules even for a vampire
Cops don't follow rules because there's no one enforcing them. Vampires can't enter homes because god stops them from doing so. So even a cop vampire would need to follow this rule or be turned to ash for not being a Gentleman.
I know, I know. It's a joke and all. I just felt the need to add context on why these rules exist and why their not just arbitrary laws that vampires can just chose to ignore.
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The entire planet understands what ownership means you are basically alone in misunderstanding
No, the "entire planet" has decided that states ultimately own your property--and you, since you don't have absolute, individual bodily autonomy--and we use an incorrect shorthand in the way we verbally talk about property rights.
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Cops don't follow rules because there's no one enforcing them. Vampires can't enter homes because god stops them from doing so. So even a cop vampire would need to follow this rule or be turned to ash for not being a Gentleman.
I know, I know. It's a joke and all. I just felt the need to add context on why these rules exist and why their not just arbitrary laws that vampires can just chose to ignore.
yeah i just thought it would be funny to think cops would ignore even supernatural laws because they're just that shitty
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Nope, absolutely no vampires here, definitely none at all, no siree. No vmpires in this house.
/blinks franticly at the camera
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You son of a bitch
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If the owner isn't in the house, then they don't have any right to give permission.
Vampires don't care about mortal laws.
So the who owns it? If you own a house, you are still owned by the government that leases you that land at tax deductions. Or would the bloodidst own it?
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yeah i just thought it would be funny to think cops would ignore even supernatural laws because they're just that shitty
Tbh, that does sound kind of dope
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All of those things (Landlords, disputed owners, etc.) don't apply if they aren't in the house.
This is really that simple.
But how does it apply? Any 4 walls and a ceiling? Does a window count as being open to invitation? If the vampire knocks down a wall is it now outdoors and they're free to go anywhere that was formerly "inside"
If I put a box I own in someone else's house the vampire has access to can he not access my box while I'm in it? What about a casita style house inside a larger house, like a mother-in-law suite?
Can anyone inside invite them? Can they have a thrall of theirs force or trick their way inside and invite the vampire in?
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Needs reasoning
Not familiar with warrant law but doesnt inviting a police officer into your home negate the need for a warrant as you have given the permission?
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Not familiar with warrant law but doesnt inviting a police officer into your home negate the need for a warrant as you have given the permission?
Yes, but the debate is the other way around: is a warrant an invitation?
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Yes, but the debate is the other way around: is a warrant an invitation?
No. And there is no guarantee that human cops even follow their rules so imagine a thirsty vampire in a position of power/authority. The warrant can be a tool to gain entry but they would probably still be bound by whatever hearth magick serves as a barrier.
