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  • P [email protected]

    but it's a cop so likely won't be following the rules even for a vampire

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    Cops don't follow rules because there's no one enforcing them. Vampires can't enter homes because god stops them from doing so. So even a cop vampire would need to follow this rule or be turned to ash for not being a Gentleman.

    I know, I know. It's a joke and all. I just felt the need to add context on why these rules exist and why their not just arbitrary laws that vampires can just chose to ignore.

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      The entire planet understands what ownership means you are basically alone in misunderstanding

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      No, the "entire planet" has decided that states ultimately own your property--and you, since you don't have absolute, individual bodily autonomy--and we use an incorrect shorthand in the way we verbally talk about property rights.

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        Cops don't follow rules because there's no one enforcing them. Vampires can't enter homes because god stops them from doing so. So even a cop vampire would need to follow this rule or be turned to ash for not being a Gentleman.

        I know, I know. It's a joke and all. I just felt the need to add context on why these rules exist and why their not just arbitrary laws that vampires can just chose to ignore.

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        yeah i just thought it would be funny to think cops would ignore even supernatural laws because they're just that shitty

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          Nope, absolutely no vampires here, definitely none at all, no siree. No vmpires in this house.

          /blinks franticly at the camera

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          …be… sure… to… drink… your… ov-

          You son of a bitch

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          • lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksL [email protected]

            If the owner isn't in the house, then they don't have any right to give permission.

            Vampires don't care about mortal laws.

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            So the who owns it? If you own a house, you are still owned by the government that leases you that land at tax deductions. Or would the bloodidst own it?

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            • P [email protected]

              yeah i just thought it would be funny to think cops would ignore even supernatural laws because they're just that shitty

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              Tbh, that does sound kind of dope 😂

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              • lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksL [email protected]

                All of those things (Landlords, disputed owners, etc.) don't apply if they aren't in the house.

                This is really that simple.

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                But how does it apply? Any 4 walls and a ceiling? Does a window count as being open to invitation? If the vampire knocks down a wall is it now outdoors and they're free to go anywhere that was formerly "inside"

                If I put a box I own in someone else's house the vampire has access to can he not access my box while I'm in it? What about a casita style house inside a larger house, like a mother-in-law suite?

                Can anyone inside invite them? Can they have a thrall of theirs force or trick their way inside and invite the vampire in?

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                • F [email protected]

                  Needs reasoning

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                  Not familiar with warrant law but doesnt inviting a police officer into your home negate the need for a warrant as you have given the permission?

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                    Not familiar with warrant law but doesnt inviting a police officer into your home negate the need for a warrant as you have given the permission?

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                    Yes, but the debate is the other way around: is a warrant an invitation?

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                      Yes, but the debate is the other way around: is a warrant an invitation?

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                      No. And there is no guarantee that human cops even follow their rules so imagine a thirsty vampire in a position of power/authority. The warrant can be a tool to gain entry but they would probably still be bound by whatever hearth magick serves as a barrier.

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                      • J [email protected]

                        But that's kinda the flaw in all of it. If I live with other people, any one of them can let the vampire in, but he never got permission from me then it's not about individual permission.

                        If we say anyone with authority over the space can let someone in, then that would probably extend to the law or property owners.

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                        It is an interesting idea that roommates would all have to vote on whether to let one in, ngl

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