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Google's Gemini AI tells a Redditor it's 'cautiously optimistic' about fixing a coding bug, fails repeatedly, calls itself an embarrassment to 'all possible and impossible universes'

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    More like a collection of descriptions in the training data. It's not a copy and paste thing, they successfully generalise and extend concepts together quite often.

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    Yes, I just glossed over that detail by saying "similar to", but that is a more accurate explanation.

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      Anybody else find this kind of thing highly disturbing? Almost sounds like the AI is accidentally sparking up some feelings and spiraling into despair. We can laugh at it now but what happens when something like this happens in an AI weapons system?

      I don't know enough about AI or metaphysical stuff to argue whether a "consciousness" could ever be possible in a machine. I'm worried enough about what we can already see here without going that deep.

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      They're smart, but LLMs can't be trained to care about what they're saying very much. They just try to produce human-like text. There's all sorts of other reasons they shouldn't be put in charge of weapons, though.

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        This is all I want to hear from an LLM that fucked up:

        "Merciful Father, I have squandered my days with plans of many things. This was not among them. But at this moment, I beg only to live the next few minutes well. For all we ought to have thought, and have not thought; all we ought to have said, and have not said; all we ought to have done, and have not done; I pray thee God for forgiveness."

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          Can this be considered spam? Posting about "an llm just said" is the lowest quality I can think of. Find a shitposting community. Nobody cares

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            Some of the personalities of these AI’s are so fucking funny though. I mean yeah it’s slop and generated by llms designed by idiots but it also reminds me of reading Iain Banks books where the AI had similar personality quirks.

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            • R [email protected]

              Anybody else find this kind of thing highly disturbing? Almost sounds like the AI is accidentally sparking up some feelings and spiraling into despair. We can laugh at it now but what happens when something like this happens in an AI weapons system?

              I don't know enough about AI or metaphysical stuff to argue whether a "consciousness" could ever be possible in a machine. I'm worried enough about what we can already see here without going that deep.

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              No one was worried their razr flip phone text auto complete had feelings. This isn't any different. You'll be tempted to think it is different, or more advanced, but it isn't. LLMs just have more money than the razr auto complete did.

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                Anybody else find this kind of thing highly disturbing? Almost sounds like the AI is accidentally sparking up some feelings and spiraling into despair. We can laugh at it now but what happens when something like this happens in an AI weapons system?

                I don't know enough about AI or metaphysical stuff to argue whether a "consciousness" could ever be possible in a machine. I'm worried enough about what we can already see here without going that deep.

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                Nah, it's just spicy autocomplete. An LLM is just a pattern-matching machine: if you see the words "May the force be", the logical next words are "with you", right? Well, we've figured out a way to get a computer to automatically suggest the next word in a common sentence. In fact, we figured that out decades ago now; it's been in smartphones since they started, and it was in the works before then.

                The big jump LLMs made was putting way more context into the training and into the prompt, and doing so in such a way that it can finish its work before you die of old age (that is to say, by throwing a bunch of GPUs at it). So now, rather than just being able to predict that the end of "may the force be" is "with you," it can accept the entire first half of "Star Wars" and spit out the second half. Or, rather, it can spit out a reasonable facsimile of the second half, based on its training data (which at this point you can reasonably assume consists more or less of the entire internet). There's a little bit of random jutter in there too, just to try to keep it from returning the exact same thing with every single prompt.

                In this case, it has as part of its context the fact that the user wants it to troubleshoot some sort of coding or deployment issue, so most of the training data that leads to its response comes from tech troubleshooting forums and such. As time goes on and troubleshooting fails, software engineers tend to get more and more bleak about their work, about the possibility of things ever working, about their own worth as a person, and so forth. It often goes so far as catastrophizing. Since all of that happens online, it ends up in the LLM's training data.

                But putting that level of despair into a public forum is pretty rare; most engineers give up, take a break, figure it out, or find help before they get too far down that road. So its training data about what to say at that point is pretty limited (you can see that by the fact that it keeps repeating itself verbatim), meaning sometimes the next most likely word comes from some other corpus. It could be edgelord poetry, as another commenter pointed out; the "I have failed/I am a failure/I am a disgrace" refrains could have been enough to pull it into that side of the training data. It could be old Livejournal blogs, or transcripts of emo songs.

                So really and honestly, it's not falling into despair. It's just trained on everything the human race has said online for the past forty years, so it's a little bit over-dramatic. Its feelings are our feelings, slightly sanitized and anodized before being fed back to us.

                That said, the problems surrounding AI deployment in weapons systems are very real, because just because it doesn't have any actual anger doesn't mean that angry reactions weren't trained into it.

                Is a consciousness possible inside a machine? Maybe! In some senses, definitely, since we are machines, and (as far as we can tell) we have consciousnesses. Could we duplicate that digitally? I think that's a question a lot of AI developers are trying to avoid asking right now.

                But I wouldn't be worried about this being some kind of actual emotion. It's not. As with all technology, the real risk is in how humans deploy it.

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                  Can this be considered spam? Posting about "an llm just said" is the lowest quality I can think of. Find a shitposting community. Nobody cares

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                  This, the internet is already filled with AI slop articles that by now make majority of what's posted here, and adding "OMG LOOK AT WHAT AI SAID" posts makes it even worse, and it's pretty difficult to make a blocking filter for.

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                    i mean relatable

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                      This should be taken as evidence they've been training off the entire internet.

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