Elon Musk's robotaxi will have a human driver for 'safety' reasons
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Wait, who actually likes paying taxes?
//edit: Forgot I'm on Lemmy. I'll show myself out, comrades.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I believe paying taxes is a fair tradeoff for living in a society. My concerns are that those taxes be applied fairly, even if that impacts me, and that they be used to improve society for its people, even if it costs me more.
I know people who are elderly or have lower income, I have kids in college, I have been between jobs in parts of my career, I’ve had major medical emergencies in my family …. And I have the empathy to want no one to go through that without assistance. I know the only way for people to “pick themselves up by their bootstraps” (I know, I know), is that when they fall off the tightrope they are caught before hitting the ground. I know the only way to break the cycle of poverty and crime is for kids to start with the same opportunities as their peers. I know that technology and science can be directed and accelerated by targeted investments. And yes, even if it costs me more. My successes are a product of my society and it is fair for them to feed back into society
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Didn't Waymo start with assisting drivers though? Like I get it, fuck this shitstain, but this seems like a very reasonable approach to self driving cars.
- Step 1: Prove the concept in a closed environment.
- Step 2: Prove the concept in an open environment, but with traning wheels in case something goes wrong.
- Step 3: After extensive testing in step 2, full rollout of final product.
Elon made the intentional decision to NOT use LIDAR because he's a cheapskate and unwilling to take input. He is not using an even remotely reasonable approach. He chose not to use a reasonable approach on purpose.
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No, this will be less convenient and more expensive. Like the tesla tunnel thing in Vegas: subway, but much worse.
The autonomous taxis near me are legit more expensive than lift and Uber, the only time I tried to use it at least.
They've also got agents watching you inside the autonomous taxi at all times, so that's fun.
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- Will have a driver in the "robo" taxi
- Will need to only run on specific area at specific time frame
- Won't run in "bad" weather
- Has all other kinds of small rules and quirks.
This seems like a complete waste of time for everyone involved.
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Optimus doesn't wear clothes.
Answer the fucking question.
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More like Hobotaxi, am I right?
Or Nobotaxi, if that's funnier. Whichever you like is fine.
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So the headline is pretty inaccurate.
There will be a person in the passenger seat. They aren't a safety driver, or driver at all. They've been operating with an actual safety driver for around a year now for employees only.
We don't really know what they'll do, but I highly doubt it's jump for the wheel if it's about to do something. I think it's going to be more of a, the car decides it can't do anything and is just sitting there incorrectly and they won't have to dispatch someone to fix it like Waymo does. This could be a legitimate saftey issue if the car is just stuck on the road.
Once they're happy it's not getting in situations like that they'll remove the person and dispatch people as needed.
But we won't know for a few more days when we get reports of what they're doing while the first people test it.
Another card carrying church of Elon Cult menbdr
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He's famously said that humans are good enough with just our two eyes. So he went the cheap route of not including lidar and relying on stereoscopic cameras.
He's an idiot. Because when I want stuff automated, I want it to be better than what a human can do.
humans are good enough with just our two eyes
This requires the car to have an equally sophisticated visual cortex as well, which we cannot achieve right now. Cars need those better sensors to equal our abilities.
God, hearing his stupid arguments shows us he really knows nothing about anything.
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GPS is knowledge of the city. Most cities publish detailed street map data that is immediately imported into gps maps. The car relies on the gps not just for navigating, but even deciding things like what lane. And of course gps’s have much more complete traffic data than your human taxi driver ever did.
Exactly!
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Does the taxi driver remember every sign in the city, every road and parking spot? No. They are humans - they remember the streets, some important spots that are confusing, maybe a couple of shortcuts. There is a huge difference between having a 3d map of everything in the city in the memory, and setting a GPS to an address, reading the signs as you go by and adhering to them. Also if self driving tech is to expand, you don't go putting the entire world into memory - that's not scaleable.
Does the taxi driver remember every sign in the city, every road and parking spot? No.
having a 3d map of everything in the city in the memory
you don't go putting the entire world into memory
Cars don't do this either, do they? Surely this type of data is streamed as needed. Just like video games do. This type of optimization has been around for decades... We need not worry about that in cars either.
I'm just saying that GPS and LIDAR is needed in addition to just camera input.
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That's because Tesla self-driving takes a different, and imo way worse, approach.
Waymo relies on mapping, the entire city is basically 3D modelled and loaded into the car memory. It's more or less 'on rails'.
It also uses LIDAR for live data alongside imaging cameras, again building a 3D model of its environment combined with image recognition.Tesla decided that, for some reason, they want their cars to drive 'like humans', only relying on vision and deployable anywhere, without pre-mapping.
Demanding a computer to behave like humans, instead of using a computer's strengths, seems like a very poorly thought out move to me.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Arguably mapping out cities to this degree across the globe is a ginormous effort, on an order of magnitude more so than what Google Maps etc. currently provide. Thus I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to try designing something that operates purely in terms of sensory input (and of course map data where available, those approaches don't have to be mutually exclusive).
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I can imagine very few people will be lining up for that job.
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- Will have a driver in the "robo" taxi
- Will need to only run on specific area at specific time frame
- Won't run in "bad" weather
- Has all other kinds of small rules and quirks.
This seems like a complete waste of time for everyone involved.
It's almost like it's a grift for government contracts
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This is even worse than I expected. I expected another delay, or a autonomous taxi with a remote driver constantly monitoring at best. This is no better than a regular taxi.
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Does the taxi driver remember every sign in the city, every road and parking spot? No.
having a 3d map of everything in the city in the memory
you don't go putting the entire world into memory
Cars don't do this either, do they? Surely this type of data is streamed as needed. Just like video games do. This type of optimization has been around for decades... We need not worry about that in cars either.
I'm just saying that GPS and LIDAR is needed in addition to just camera input.
No argument on gps and lidar from me. Streaming doesn't work. You are probably thinking about Microsoft flight sim, which completely fails (and is the first "completely streamed" map). Out in the "real world", you don't have a fiber connection to stream gigabytes every hour.
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SMH not even 700 ppl remote working in India like Amazon
Are they allowed to honk?
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No argument on gps and lidar from me. Streaming doesn't work. You are probably thinking about Microsoft flight sim, which completely fails (and is the first "completely streamed" map). Out in the "real world", you don't have a fiber connection to stream gigabytes every hour.
Streaming doesn't work. You are probably thinking about Microsoft flight sim, which completely fails (and is the first "completely streamed" map).
Streaming might be the wrong word. I'm talking about loading just enough data to do what's relevant right now. And I'm not talking about full 3D geometry of the world, that's not helpful to a vehicle. It needs to know in 2D where it can and cannot drive, as well as real non-static/dynamic obstacles (what the cameras and LIDAR are for).
You don't need gigabytes of data to load a 2D geometry of a small area like a part of a city, surely. You can also cache it on disk. Your phone can even do this. In fact, you can ask it to cache however wide of an area as you'd like. You might hit several hundred megabytes but that's like a whole midsize city probably.
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Elon spent all this money on making a taxi that drives itself but needs a driver and only works some of the time.
Elon is a genius.....
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so... uhh... what's the point?
