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    You don't have to be "into politics" to hate the state of current situations. We can all feel left behind when infrastructure fails, society piles on, prices skyrocket and basic homes are out of reach financially.

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    You don't have to be into "water" to hate the state of being thirsty. We can all feel parched and frustrated when we don't drink it, don't pay our water bill, or eat a cup of salt every day.

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      When your choices are Democrat or Republican, it makes sense.

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      So, in your mind AOC and Trump are exactly the same person?

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        So, in your mind AOC and Trump are exactly the same person?

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        something something genocide

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          So, in your mind AOC and Trump are exactly the same person?

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          They're the worst candidates from either direction lol

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            THIS is literally the exact kind of bullshit that makes people not take you seriously, whether you like it or not.

            Politiphobia IS NOT a thing!
            There's almost no way to use the word 'microaggression' without sounding like a self-important twat!
            How about we focus on securing some actual rights for trans people before we start trying to deliver awkward/juvenile ultimatums regarding micro- anythings? 🧐🧐🧐

            Posts like this miss the forest for the trees to a dangerous degree, imo

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            You seem very emotional about their word choice. So how about I reframe it.

            Avoiding voting is a luxury because you're not going to be killed by either administration. And failing to vote is a passive attack on those who will.

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              So, in your mind AOC and Trump are exactly the same person?

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              No. AOC and Trump are outliers on either end of the spectrum.

              But as a whole the difference between how Democratics and Republicans do politics is nothing more they semantics.

              Lobby money, bribery, insider trading, sexual scandal political controversy work just the same on either side of the aisle.

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                Reminds me of a time I was arguing with a friend in a pub. He didn't vote and thought it was pointless etc. I was saying:

                Me: "Have you been to <city> recently?"

                Him: "Yeah"

                Me: "Have you noticed a the amount of homeless people?"

                Him: "Yeah, it's getting really bad now isn't it"

                Me: ...

                Him: "What's that got to do with the government?"

                At this point, a random woman leaned in to comment.

                "You know, I agree with your friend. HE shouldn't vote."

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                I on the team of this woman when it comes to quite a few people

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                  • M [email protected]

                    No. AOC and Trump are outliers on either end of the spectrum.

                    But as a whole the difference between how Democratics and Republicans do politics is nothing more they semantics.

                    Lobby money, bribery, insider trading, sexual scandal political controversy work just the same on either side of the aisle.

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                    At one point during the election, they were trying to make a big deal over the sheer number of republicans criminals who thought they were above the law, while democrats were the first ones to bring democrats to justice

                    Insider trading is a bit different since it’s legal. Yeah most from both parties do it and don’t even realize how unethical it is, but fwiw they made it legal

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                      Does the US really not have any other political parties? Is there some sort of rule that says that there can only be two political parties.

                      I don't understand how there can be so much dissatisfaction with the current options, and that dissatisfaction has existed for so long, and yet there are been no other parties formed to take advantage of that displeasure and offer themselves as an alternative.

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                      It's basically a mathematical consequence of First Past the Post voting system. Until we get Ranked Choice Voting or similar, we will always only have the 2 parties. And since we need at least one of those parties to support a new voting system, I'm not holding my breath to see a sweeping change there. Happily, a couple states have embraced Ranked Choice Voting, so maybe a change can occur in time.

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                      • E [email protected]

                        Does the US really not have any other political parties? Is there some sort of rule that says that there can only be two political parties.

                        I don't understand how there can be so much dissatisfaction with the current options, and that dissatisfaction has existed for so long, and yet there are been no other parties formed to take advantage of that displeasure and offer themselves as an alternative.

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                        Technically we can have any number of political parties and do. I believe I had candidates representing five parties running for my state’s auditor this last time.

                        However various conditions have always prevented other parties from building a competitive national presence. Things like name recognition and the vast amount of money spent in a typical election is very difficult for a new party. On the occasion when someone has reached the legislature, you can’t really do anything without a party behind you, so it’s tough to make an impact. People complain about the voting system, but it just means there’s no second place: each of the two will win different areas but very tough for a third party to break in since there’s no second place or third place.

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                          Using inclusive language is part of the political process to change laws and get rights.

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                          Meeting people where they are is a vital part of the rhetorical process. The bigots and oligarchs are speaking the language of the ordinary people and a lot of those people are making it clear that their vote is contingent on such things.

                          I get the value of inclusive language. I've been involved in trans activism for a long time and I've watched us go from "please stop referring to us with porn categories and dehumanizing language" to things that while I agree with definitely can come off as nitpicking.

                          You'll get way further telling someone that they're only able to not care about politics because there are a few heads in front of them on the chopping block and that the guy with an axe keeps telling them they're safe. You'll also get a lot further bringing others' needs into the realm of their concerns. Its why I'm a huge proponent of PFLAG. A lot of straight and cis people struggle to empathize with queer needs, but can readily see themselves in the shoes of our parents. The right has learned this tactic from gay activism while we've let it fall to the wayside.

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                            The thing is, no matter who has the power nothing changes, so why care?

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                            More than just Trump, I’ve never seen such a contrast between what Biden tried to do vs what Trump is doing. Surely you prefer one or the other. Surely you can see such a humongous difference. Yet too many people didn’t get their instant gratification so decided to tear it all down.

                            Biden policies biggest problem was building a better country over a decade or more when he only had four years. The biggest issue is voters without an attention span.

                            Ive always thought it a good thing the country flip flops every four years. Constantly switching to a new direction quickly enough to keep us trending somewhere in the middle. But Biden demonstrated building solutions to modern problems is complex and takes a long time, while Trump is demonstrating how quickly you can tear it all down once you decide you’re above the law and you’re the only one who matters

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                            • C [email protected]

                              Meeting people where they are is a vital part of the rhetorical process. The bigots and oligarchs are speaking the language of the ordinary people and a lot of those people are making it clear that their vote is contingent on such things.

                              I get the value of inclusive language. I've been involved in trans activism for a long time and I've watched us go from "please stop referring to us with porn categories and dehumanizing language" to things that while I agree with definitely can come off as nitpicking.

                              You'll get way further telling someone that they're only able to not care about politics because there are a few heads in front of them on the chopping block and that the guy with an axe keeps telling them they're safe. You'll also get a lot further bringing others' needs into the realm of their concerns. Its why I'm a huge proponent of PFLAG. A lot of straight and cis people struggle to empathize with queer needs, but can readily see themselves in the shoes of our parents. The right has learned this tactic from gay activism while we've let it fall to the wayside.

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                              White liberals are too oblivious to persuade with fear. You have to persuade them by appealing to their saviour complex. They won't avoid apoliticism for their own sake, but you can convince them to be heroes to the trans community. It's positive motivation. The carrot, not the stick.

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                                No. AOC and Trump are outliers on either end of the spectrum.

                                But as a whole the difference between how Democratics and Republicans do politics is nothing more they semantics.

                                Lobby money, bribery, insider trading, sexual scandal political controversy work just the same on either side of the aisle.

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                                So, you find the outlier you like and help them.

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                                  You don't have to be "into politics" to hate the state of current situations. We can all feel left behind when infrastructure fails, society piles on, prices skyrocket and basic homes are out of reach financially.

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                                  That’s fine. Just don’t waste anyone else’s time complaining about that stuff if you’re not going to exert the minimal effort to do anything about it.

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                                    When your choices are Democrat or Republican, it makes sense.

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                                    I know you won't accept this. But I want to say it anyway, on the off chance that it lights some light bulb in your brain.

                                    Not seeing a difference between Democrat and Republican is a privilege. It means that you are equally affected by both of their policies. Not everyone has that luxury.

                                    If you could spend just 5 minutes considering those who are negatively impacted more by one of those parties, it should hopefully be clear that not voting hurts those people.

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                                      If you live in society with other humans, politics will involve you because it literally means things that concern everyone. People not wanting anything to do with it just means democracy isn't working.

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                                        I know you won't accept this. But I want to say it anyway, on the off chance that it lights some light bulb in your brain.

                                        Not seeing a difference between Democrat and Republican is a privilege. It means that you are equally affected by both of their policies. Not everyone has that luxury.

                                        If you could spend just 5 minutes considering those who are negatively impacted more by one of those parties, it should hopefully be clear that not voting hurts those people.

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                                        That's everyone's favorite aspect of Democratic Party politics: the finger wagging.

                                        My parents are eighty years old and drive for DoorDash, because if they don't, this country will gladly render them homeless. This is true whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge.

                                        Maybe save your sermon and support candidates that actually demonstrate some actual intent to change things. Democrats' last presidential candidate said publicly they wouldn't do anything different, and a lot of struggling people heard that.

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                                          If you live in society with other humans, politics will involve you because it literally means things that concern everyone. People not wanting anything to do with it just means democracy isn't working.

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                                          democracy isn’t working

                                          Nailed it.

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