I'm not really into politics
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If you live in society with other humans, politics will involve you because it literally means things that concern everyone. People not wanting anything to do with it just means democracy isn't working.
democracy isn’t working
Nailed it.
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Does the US really not have any other political parties? Is there some sort of rule that says that there can only be two political parties.
I don't understand how there can be so much dissatisfaction with the current options, and that dissatisfaction has existed for so long, and yet there are been no other parties formed to take advantage of that displeasure and offer themselves as an alternative.
Does the US really not have any other political parties?
We do, but they've been institutionally ostracized since the 90's, and very few people vote for them. The two ruling parties have the backing of the billionaire class and the national news media, so likely many aren't even aware of other options to begin with.
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More than just Trump, I’ve never seen such a contrast between what Biden tried to do vs what Trump is doing. Surely you prefer one or the other. Surely you can see such a humongous difference. Yet too many people didn’t get their instant gratification so decided to tear it all down.
Biden policies biggest problem was building a better country over a decade or more when he only had four years. The biggest issue is voters without an attention span.
Ive always thought it a good thing the country flip flops every four years. Constantly switching to a new direction quickly enough to keep us trending somewhere in the middle. But Biden demonstrated building solutions to modern problems is complex and takes a long time, while Trump is demonstrating how quickly you can tear it all down once you decide you’re above the law and you’re the only one who matters
Surely you can see such a humongous difference.
I think 'humongous' is being charitable.
What we got under Biden was significant inflation and drastically reduced spending power among most of the poor and working class. Under Biden it became a meme that food staples were becoming cost-prohibitive, and while that wasn't wholly his fault, he clearly didn't do anything meaningful to change it. That Biden supported a genocide just alienated more voters who wanted real, substantial change.
How likely are you to vote for the incumbent when you're working three jobs at upwards of 100 hours a week and you still can't afford to feed your kids?
In exchange Democrats offered excuses, and as you're watching Donald run roughshod over the Federal Government, you can plainly see that Democrats had all the power they needed to make real change when they controlled the White House and Congress.
Then, when Biden's condition was no longer possible to hide, they gave the voters a huge 'fuck you' by crowning a candidate who stated publicly she wouldn't do anything different.
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That's everyone's favorite aspect of Democratic Party politics: the finger wagging.
My parents are eighty years old and drive for DoorDash, because if they don't, this country will gladly render them homeless. This is true whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge.
Maybe save your sermon and support candidates that actually demonstrate some actual intent to change things. Democrats' last presidential candidate said publicly they wouldn't do anything different, and a lot of struggling people heard that.
Too bad your parents aren't trans. Maybe then you'd care.
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Surely you can see such a humongous difference.
I think 'humongous' is being charitable.
What we got under Biden was significant inflation and drastically reduced spending power among most of the poor and working class. Under Biden it became a meme that food staples were becoming cost-prohibitive, and while that wasn't wholly his fault, he clearly didn't do anything meaningful to change it. That Biden supported a genocide just alienated more voters who wanted real, substantial change.
How likely are you to vote for the incumbent when you're working three jobs at upwards of 100 hours a week and you still can't afford to feed your kids?
In exchange Democrats offered excuses, and as you're watching Donald run roughshod over the Federal Government, you can plainly see that Democrats had all the power they needed to make real change when they controlled the White House and Congress.
Then, when Biden's condition was no longer possible to hide, they gave the voters a huge 'fuck you' by crowning a candidate who stated publicly she wouldn't do anything different.
significant inflation and drastically reduced spending power
Yet that was mostly a consequence of preventing a pandemic recession. This is back to needing the time. It did work itself out by the end of Biden’s term. People still suffered with the accumulated inflation but current inflation was under control. We needed more time with inflation fixed we’d eventually grow out of it.
And the egg thing is so ridiculous. A temporary consequence of trying to prevent bird flu from becoming the next epidemic or affecting the entire food supply at once. Yeah it sucks but I don’t want the alternative.
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significant inflation and drastically reduced spending power
Yet that was mostly a consequence of preventing a pandemic recession. This is back to needing the time. It did work itself out by the end of Biden’s term. People still suffered with the accumulated inflation but current inflation was under control. We needed more time with inflation fixed we’d eventually grow out of it.
And the egg thing is so ridiculous. A temporary consequence of trying to prevent bird flu from becoming the next epidemic or affecting the entire food supply at once. Yeah it sucks but I don’t want the alternative.
In exchange Democrats offered excuses
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In exchange Democrats offered excuses
Maybe, but if the Biden platform persisted for four terms like Roosevelt, you’d see results almost as transformational.
So the bigger question is how to show results within one presidential term when the goal is building infrastructure, building industries, transforming energy use and environmental impact ? Dems certainly need to get better at messaging, Need to get better at taking credit, but the transformational changes we need will take time.
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Everything is political. Trans people need you to talk and act like it is, so politiphobia can't be used for transphobia. Engaging in politiphobia is a microaggression against trans people.
If you believe that more people being into politics will help the trans, we don't have the same experience.
In my experience, the people that approve of trans people are all politically active. The people that aren't politically active don't tend to like trans people.
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You seem very emotional about their word choice. So how about I reframe it.
Avoiding voting is a luxury because you're not going to be killed by either administration. And failing to vote is a passive attack on those who will.
I'm emotional about the fact that there's a portion of the population in this country that seem to think they have any sort of say over what types of medical care another portion of the population can have, where - or even if they get to use the bathroom, or - let's just be honest here - breathe, live; Ya know, little things like that.
This is why it's sooo fucking frustrating for me to see all these people shooting themselves in the foot. I dunno if any of y'all paid attention or not, but there was a pretty big election recently that got handed to a racist, recognized by the courts as a rapist, felon who is (and long has been) expressing blatant signs of dementia running on a platform that largely centered around kicking the brown people out of the country indiscriminately.
Your opposition here is fucking big, loud, nasty, violent MACROaggressions, and yet I still see people like you guys on here doing... what? Chastising people (who might actually be on your side already, mind you) who express signs of frustration/displeasure with the people who you need them to be upset with for being so fed up or whatever prompts their "I'm apolitical" statement? Not just chastising, even, but calling it a 'microaggression'? Which, aside from just sounding like the whiniest thing you can say, immediately paints them as the adversary, putting them on the defensive. And - for those of you playing along at home who might recall - since we've already established who your opposition is (or should be, rather), now that you've put our theoretical "apolitical" person into defense mode too, well... If the enemy of my enemy is my friend then...
Hmm... Maybe making people feel like they're just as bad as the racist fuckheads because they perhaps don't grasp that everything has something of a political component to it isn't the best strategy, as it turns out.
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If you believe that more people being into politics will help the trans, we don't have the same experience.
In my experience, the people that approve of trans people are all politically active. The people that aren't politically active don't tend to like trans people.
The myth that there are people who aren't into politics is dangerous. People use that myth to harass trans people.
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You can get into politics minimally, you don't have to nerd out on it, but everyone should have a basic understanding of the political system.
It's like complaining that your house constantly catches fire but never bothering to realise that your extension cable monstrosity is causing the problem. A basic understanding of the electricity would have prevented the fire in the first place, and learning about electricity now would prevent future fires. But instead you just complain that your house catches fire every other week.
Exactly, I actually hate politics with a firey passion and would love nothing more than to be able to ignore it. But I hate the current state of affairs even more, so I am forced to pay attention.
It's like how I dislike wiping my ass, but I love having a clean asshole. Sometimes you have to do things you don't like to get the preferred outcome.
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To me there's a difference between "politics" and taking about a specific topic and concern.
unfortunatly most people that I know that want to "talk politics" always have an agenda and motive. These individuals are never concerned about learning and broadening the topic but "winning" and their agenda.
Edit: F any trumper out there too.
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It's called demoralization.
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I'm emotional about the fact that there's a portion of the population in this country that seem to think they have any sort of say over what types of medical care another portion of the population can have, where - or even if they get to use the bathroom, or - let's just be honest here - breathe, live; Ya know, little things like that.
This is why it's sooo fucking frustrating for me to see all these people shooting themselves in the foot. I dunno if any of y'all paid attention or not, but there was a pretty big election recently that got handed to a racist, recognized by the courts as a rapist, felon who is (and long has been) expressing blatant signs of dementia running on a platform that largely centered around kicking the brown people out of the country indiscriminately.
Your opposition here is fucking big, loud, nasty, violent MACROaggressions, and yet I still see people like you guys on here doing... what? Chastising people (who might actually be on your side already, mind you) who express signs of frustration/displeasure with the people who you need them to be upset with for being so fed up or whatever prompts their "I'm apolitical" statement? Not just chastising, even, but calling it a 'microaggression'? Which, aside from just sounding like the whiniest thing you can say, immediately paints them as the adversary, putting them on the defensive. And - for those of you playing along at home who might recall - since we've already established who your opposition is (or should be, rather), now that you've put our theoretical "apolitical" person into defense mode too, well... If the enemy of my enemy is my friend then...
Hmm... Maybe making people feel like they're just as bad as the racist fuckheads because they perhaps don't grasp that everything has something of a political component to it isn't the best strategy, as it turns out.
Ah. Victim blaming. Yeah, that tracks.
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Reminds me of a time I was arguing with a friend in a pub. He didn't vote and thought it was pointless etc. I was saying:
Me: "Have you been to <city> recently?"
Him: "Yeah"
Me: "Have you noticed a the amount of homeless people?"
Him: "Yeah, it's getting really bad now isn't it"
Me: ...
Him: "What's that got to do with the government?"
At this point, a random woman leaned in to comment.
"You know, I agree with your friend. HE shouldn't vote."
I work for my county, I have at least one coworker who is proud that she's never voted and doesn't care about politics
We work for the government, dumbass! That's basically saying "no, I don't want my opinion to be heard on who my boss is" when the options are often a person who wants to give us raises, better benefits, etc. and a person who wants to cut all of that.
It's probably for the best though, because when she does express a political opinion it's over the stupidest fucking shit. She supported Trump due to some comments he made about funding IVF treatments, while she's a polyamorous, wiccan divorcee with several health issues who doesn't have and as far as I'm aware doesn't want children. Yes, the republican party with their "traditional christian family values" schtick, who are constantly trying to gut all things related to medical care are totally the party that is going to look out for people like you, and totally worth supporting because you have some vague notions about wanting people to be able to have babies.
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To me there's a difference between "politics" and taking about a specific topic and concern.
unfortunatly most people that I know that want to "talk politics" always have an agenda and motive. These individuals are never concerned about learning and broadening the topic but "winning" and their agenda.
Edit: F any trumper out there too.
I mean, I do have an agenda, that's kinda the point. My agenda is to make life better (= more equal, more inclusive, etc) for everyone
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To me there's a difference between "politics" and taking about a specific topic and concern.
unfortunatly most people that I know that want to "talk politics" always have an agenda and motive. These individuals are never concerned about learning and broadening the topic but "winning" and their agenda.
Edit: F any trumper out there too.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]unfortunatly most people that I know that want to “talk politics” always have an agenda and motive. These individuals are never concerned about learning and broadening the topic but “winning” and their agenda.
This is why my reaction to these people irl is always, "I don't like talking about politics." Which, a quick look at my comment history would tell anyone, is absolutely ridiculous lol.
You can usually tell which people are actually interested in discussion, and which have an (usually right wing) agenda to push.
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That's everyone's favorite aspect of Democratic Party politics: the finger wagging.
My parents are eighty years old and drive for DoorDash, because if they don't, this country will gladly render them homeless. This is true whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge.
Maybe save your sermon and support candidates that actually demonstrate some actual intent to change things. Democrats' last presidential candidate said publicly they wouldn't do anything different, and a lot of struggling people heard that.
Ah there it is... Complete lack of empathy, and only capable of understanding an issue when it affects them or their family directly.
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That’s fine. Just don’t waste anyone else’s time complaining about that stuff if you’re not going to exert the minimal effort to do anything about it.
Forget doing anything, they can't even be bothered to learn what any of it means
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So, you find the outlier you like and help them.
Agreed. If and when AOC runs for president she has my vote.
