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    Than just these seven? They absolutely do.

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    How many long tailed bears were around in Ancient Greece? I saw a backwards interpretation that made more sense where the tail becomes the eye of the head.

    Here's an actual photo of the night sky with all the minor stars. There's nothing there that even squinting gives the appearance of a bear.

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      The bear name for those stars predates the ancient Greeks.

      There's no known origin. It's present in languages of people that were separated at least 13000 years ago.

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      some of our star stories go back 100k years. see: the Pleiades.

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        How many long tailed bears were around in Ancient Greece? I saw a backwards interpretation that made more sense where the tail becomes the eye of the head.

        Here's an actual photo of the night sky with all the minor stars. There's nothing there that even squinting gives the appearance of a bear.

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        What's funny is it very clearly see a bear there.

        Not sure if I'd be able to make it out in person, but the image makes it so very clear to me.

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          Or that of Karl, whomever the fuck that is 🤷

          (It's called Karlsvognen here in Denmark, which means Karl's wagon)

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          Same in Swedish, Karlavagnen ("the Karl wagon")

          But its definitely a wagon, like who would think it's a bear?

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            And I stand by that.

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            Yes, it's the karlavagn (the Karl wagon/cart)

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                What's funny is it very clearly see a bear there.

                Not sure if I'd be able to make it out in person, but the image makes it so very clear to me.

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                What? That's clearly a giraffe

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                  Same in Swedish, Karlavagnen ("the Karl wagon")

                  But its definitely a wagon, like who would think it's a bear?

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                  Greek dudes who have had a shitload of retsina? 🤷

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                    What? That's clearly a giraffe

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                    I see a horse

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                      bear lore from Björn

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                        I've always seen it as a kite

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                          Yes, it's the karlavagn (the Karl wagon/cart)

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                          the man wagon

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                            How many long tailed bears were around in Ancient Greece? I saw a backwards interpretation that made more sense where the tail becomes the eye of the head.

                            Here's an actual photo of the night sky with all the minor stars. There's nothing there that even squinting gives the appearance of a bear.

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                              Obviously a bear

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                              The Medium Saucepan is my favorite constellation.

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                                If you look at it without tons of light and air pollution, as the ancient Greeks would have, there are so many stars you can make a constellation look like anything you want.

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                                  Yup. While the bear with a tail is still kind of weird, Ursa major is one of the least weird constellations. "The Big Dipper" is an "asterism" according to the grad students at the planetarium I took my daughter to.

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                                    I don't know my northern hemisphere stars, having never seen any, but that looks exactly like what we call "the pot" down in the southern hemisphere.

                                    Your point still stands, but your example couldn't be shooting yourself in the foot any harder

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                                      I see a horse

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                                      It's a schooner.

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                                        Yup. While the bear with a tail is still kind of weird, Ursa major is one of the least weird constellations. "The Big Dipper" is an "asterism" according to the grad students at the planetarium I took my daughter to.

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                                        Also it at least used to be identified as a medieval push hoe.

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                                        • hjalamanger@feddit.nuH [email protected]

                                          Same in Swedish, Karlavagnen ("the Karl wagon")

                                          But its definitely a wagon, like who would think it's a bear?

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                                          They didn't think the big dipper was the bear. The bear is much bigger than the dipper alone.

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