Right-Wingers Clash with Police After Romania Bars Populist Calin Georgescu from Polls
-
Supporters of Calin Georgescu threw stones and bottles at riot police in Bucharest after the Central Election Bureau voted to bar the right-wing, pro-Russian candidate from competing in upcoming presidential polls.
The Central Election Bureau voted 10-4 to bar Georgescu, saying his candidacy did not meet the legal requirements and that he had “violated the very obligation to defend democracy”.
Georgescu condemned the decision as a “direct blow to the heart of democracy worldwide”. He now has 24 hours from Sunday’s ruling to file an official appeal with Romania’s Constitutional Court, which is expected to issue a decision on Wednesday at the latest.
It’s just a matter of time before neoliberals will cancel an election where a socialist wins. I’m terrified that people jump with glee as a response to this. You’re only allowed to vote because you voted in a way that didn’t disturb things too much. I’d rather have far right win and prove again that they are incapable of running a country. Pendulum will swing.
-
It’s just a matter of time before neoliberals will cancel an election where a socialist wins. I’m terrified that people jump with glee as a response to this. You’re only allowed to vote because you voted in a way that didn’t disturb things too much. I’d rather have far right win and prove again that they are incapable of running a country. Pendulum will swing.
I agree. Annul an election, sure, but banning a candidate is undemocratic. They should have let him run and lose— or win, if that's what the people genuinely wanted.
-
It’s just a matter of time before neoliberals will cancel an election where a socialist wins. I’m terrified that people jump with glee as a response to this. You’re only allowed to vote because you voted in a way that didn’t disturb things too much. I’d rather have far right win and prove again that they are incapable of running a country. Pendulum will swing.
You rather have millions of people suffer and die than to acknowledge the paradox of tolerance?
-
It’s just a matter of time before neoliberals will cancel an election where a socialist wins. I’m terrified that people jump with glee as a response to this. You’re only allowed to vote because you voted in a way that didn’t disturb things too much. I’d rather have far right win and prove again that they are incapable of running a country. Pendulum will swing.
I would agree with you if it was not the fact that the right are very intolerant and hateful people meaning more people would suffer. This is not like politics from 20 years ago where it was a minor policy difference separating the parties, the right are actively working to remove rights from people.
-
I would agree with you if it was not the fact that the right are very intolerant and hateful people meaning more people would suffer. This is not like politics from 20 years ago where it was a minor policy difference separating the parties, the right are actively working to remove rights from people.
So, essentially, you don’t want democracy anymore because results are way too different from what you expect. Precisely what I was talking about.
-
You rather have millions of people suffer and die than to acknowledge the paradox of tolerance?
I’d rather eat shit now rather than delay it and make it even worse. This doesn’t solve anything, it’s just pretending things are fine.
-
So, essentially, you don’t want democracy anymore because results are way too different from what you expect. Precisely what I was talking about.
-
If you think the right are going to usher in a golden age of democracy then I don’t think you have been paying attention to what has been happening or what they have been saying.
By the time right gets to power democratic institutions will be demolished by liberals already. Democratic institutions are the only thing that’s worth saving and neoliberals are now destroying them because it allows them to rule for a couple more years, amass even more wealth and weather the incoming catastrophe.
-
By the time right gets to power democratic institutions will be demolished by liberals already. Democratic institutions are the only thing that’s worth saving and neoliberals are now destroying them because it allows them to rule for a couple more years, amass even more wealth and weather the incoming catastrophe.
Liberals are by far the lesser of the two evils. Once again I would urge you to pay attention to what the right say and do. They talk of freedoms while stripping it away from others. You speak of liberals enriching themselves when as an example in the US Trump has reduced the taxes on the wealthy while the cost of living is increasing thats looks like the wealthy being given quite the enriching opportunity . Here in Australia our right leaning politician Peter Dutton has amassed a fortune through his political career and is quite friendly with mining the magnates. So please do tell me how the right still enrich but also take away the rights of woman to access to abortions, people wanting to transition and pose a general threat to who they perceive as immigrants even if they are legal in most countries is the better of the two.
-
Liberals are by far the lesser of the two evils. Once again I would urge you to pay attention to what the right say and do. They talk of freedoms while stripping it away from others. You speak of liberals enriching themselves when as an example in the US Trump has reduced the taxes on the wealthy while the cost of living is increasing thats looks like the wealthy being given quite the enriching opportunity . Here in Australia our right leaning politician Peter Dutton has amassed a fortune through his political career and is quite friendly with mining the magnates. So please do tell me how the right still enrich but also take away the rights of woman to access to abortions, people wanting to transition and pose a general threat to who they perceive as immigrants even if they are legal in most countries is the better of the two.
Liberals are by far the lesser of the two evils.
No.
How long can this go on? When will they stop? If it’s up to liberals then never.
-
Liberals are by far the lesser of the two evils.
No.
How long can this go on? When will they stop? If it’s up to liberals then never.
Do you think that the far right would conduct less economic violence?
-
Do you think that the far right would conduct less economic violence?
It’s a tossup if they go for free market Mad Max or if they start doing handouts to the elderly in exchange for votes. With liberals the first one is guaranteed. Ultimately it’s up to the voters to choose and not internet commentators like us. That right was denied to them.
-
It’s a tossup if they go for free market Mad Max or if they start doing handouts to the elderly in exchange for votes. With liberals the first one is guaranteed. Ultimately it’s up to the voters to choose and not internet commentators like us. That right was denied to them.
I think that America is currently doing a fine job of demonstrating how there are ways to do economic violence faster than neoliberalism
For the people to choose, there has to be some measure of a level playing field and informed undestanding of the options. The influence campaign in support of Georgescu violated those principles
-
I think that America is currently doing a fine job of demonstrating how there are ways to do economic violence faster than neoliberalism
For the people to choose, there has to be some measure of a level playing field and informed undestanding of the options. The influence campaign in support of Georgescu violated those principles
Trump is a moron when it comes to economics but he’s not really a political ideologue rather than a grifter surrounded by a mixture of neoliberals and fascists unified by a common goal of making money. What’s happening in America is just late stages of neoliberalism which converges with fascism as time goes on.
As to influence campaigns - everything is one. Our conversation is an influence campaign so where do you draw the line? I’ve seen many attempts but it always looked like it wasn’t done in good faith by any of the sides. You’ll probably say this is financed covertly and used social media to distort truth. This description matches how free market economics are being force fed by mainstream media owned by the most wealthy. I’m for banning all or nothing, otherwise it’s just a tool for politicians to gain unfair advantage over others.
-
Trump is a moron when it comes to economics but he’s not really a political ideologue rather than a grifter surrounded by a mixture of neoliberals and fascists unified by a common goal of making money. What’s happening in America is just late stages of neoliberalism which converges with fascism as time goes on.
As to influence campaigns - everything is one. Our conversation is an influence campaign so where do you draw the line? I’ve seen many attempts but it always looked like it wasn’t done in good faith by any of the sides. You’ll probably say this is financed covertly and used social media to distort truth. This description matches how free market economics are being force fed by mainstream media owned by the most wealthy. I’m for banning all or nothing, otherwise it’s just a tool for politicians to gain unfair advantage over others.
I think that your analysis of Trump is just the motivations behind his actions rather than any reason to not categorise him as far right.
where do you draw the line?
Regardless of where either of us would personally draw it, surely the existing point at which that line was drawn in Romania before the election should matter? That's what the Romanian courts ruled that the influence campaign had crossed over. Whether it's in the best place or not, just one of several sides covertly stepping over it clearly creates a huge advantage for that side
-
I think that your analysis of Trump is just the motivations behind his actions rather than any reason to not categorise him as far right.
where do you draw the line?
Regardless of where either of us would personally draw it, surely the existing point at which that line was drawn in Romania before the election should matter? That's what the Romanian courts ruled that the influence campaign had crossed over. Whether it's in the best place or not, just one of several sides covertly stepping over it clearly creates a huge advantage for that side
I’m not putting a label on Trump because he has few core beliefs but many whims. People like him and what’s called far right are not playing the traditional political game anymore and produce extreme ambiguity on purpose (those weird nazi salutes are a part of this). That’s because while we debate if Elon is a nazi (he is) or if Trump is a nazi (he’s not), they get to continue doing their business and with how systems and taxes are built that’s the only thing they need to do to continue gaining money (which now equals power).
Regardless of where either of us would personally draw it, surely the existing point at which that line was drawn in Romania before the election should matter? That's what the Romanian courts ruled that the influence campaign had crossed over. Whether it's in the best place or not, just one of several sides covertly stepping over it clearly creates a huge advantage for that side
Western watchdogs, Venice commission and various NGOs don’t see it like that. It was done arbitrarily, based on confidential information and without a right to appeal. I get that many people sigh with relief but this thing should have been done honestly, with heavy burden of what this really means long term and therefore with a plan to make things right. I’m pretty sure nobody is going to make things right because it was done so that things could remain the same. And they remain the same because that way the rich continue getting richer, which is a point I’m circling back to because it’s so important.
-
Liberals are by far the lesser of the two evils.
No.
How long can this go on? When will they stop? If it’s up to liberals then never.
I think you are just trying to make an argument without absorbing what I am saying, I am not saying Liberals are policies are always great for the economy either. The wealth inequality is going to get worse and the only way to correct this is to tax the top more.
But show me in conservative history where they have attempted to correct this same issue? Their policies are just as bad if not worse in case of Trump with his tarrifs kicking of a trade war and that cost is going to be passed onto the consumer.
This all sounds like you are just spewing debates points without truly understanding any of it, try and do some research please before you try again.
-
System shared this topic on
