Trolling people's AI note takers
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"How much is Chris making in Q2 by being trapped on a sinking ship?"
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..virtual note takers? we don't even write our own fucking notes anymore?..
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Okay, okay, I get it
AI indeed has some uses.Literally one of the only good apllications for AI.
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..virtual note takers? we don't even write our own fucking notes anymore?..
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Okay, okay, I get it
AI indeed has some uses.wrote on last edited by [email protected]yeah. I had a 5 hour QBR this week with 18 in-person attendees and 7 virtual where we didn't even take a pee break. I was presenting 90% of it so it's hard to take my own notes. I give AI the transcript, the virtual note taker, and the slide deck and my personal notes and describe how I want the output and it gives me a recap of the highlights, discussion, action items that then I can email to stakeholders and to project mgmt to set up next step tasks in Asana.
The one benefit of AI I've actually found useful.
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If I could trust it to consider the same points important that I do and have the same understanding of them.
They merely report what was said, nothing (much) more, nothing less.
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Because this user didn’t attend. Meetings are generally long form and dynamic. Which can’t be done as efficiently in email. 30-60 minutes meetings are fine to attend in person (in terms of parsing information). Consuming that same information via video after the fact is a chore; as is relying on the note taking skills of another employee. I agree with the user you’re replying to. Note taking is one of the few things AI is decent at.
Okay, but imagine if everybody just didn't attend. If the quick notes summarizing the meeting are enough for everybody, then the meeting is a waste of time.
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Just an off-the-cuff example, a business review with a client. I'm involved in making the deck that's being shown, so I already know the talking points from our side; the only thing that's relevant to me is the client's response. The meeting might be 45 minutes of us presenting and 15 minutes of them responding, so if I can get a quick summary of those responses, I can save all that time.
Sure, but you know how else you could give that information to the client and have them respond back?
By emailing the deck and asking for their thoughts.
We don't really need to coordinate having an hour window in everybody's schedule anymore.
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If you get sufficient value out of a 30 second summary of an hour long meeting, then why have the hour long meeting?
(h)(n) + (t)(p) = W
(h length of meeting in hours) x (n number of people in the meeting) + (t number of hours prepping the meeting) x (p number of people prepping the meeting) = W number of work hours spent on this meeting. Multiply W by the average hourly wage. That's how much money the meeting cost. And that doesn't factor in the cost of productivity loss because everybody could've been doing something useful with that time instead.If it could've otherwise been ten minutes of writing an email and five minutes per worker reading and understanding it, then how is it anything other than an efficiency gain to just make that meeting an email? Instead, we're still putting the meeting together just to then pay in resources and possibly subscription cost to have the meeting summarized instead of just having the host do it in the first place.
This is all very true, and I agree completely. But you've overlooked two very important factors that I can think of:
- Many people attending these meetings do not have the authority to cancel them, and the people who do have the authority may not be receptive to this argument.
- Some people will benefit from assisted notetaking even if the meeting was worthy of the time.
I'm neurodivergent and when I'm writing notes my brain shuts off audio processing. I literally can't take notes without missing more of the meeting than I'm writing down. And unfortunately most people above me in the hierarchy can't fathom writing a message instead of speaking for an hour.
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Kinda off-topic, but am I the only one who usually joins meetings five minutes early? I hate being late, and that way I give myself five minutes of peaceful troubleshooting time if my mic doesn’t connect, for example.
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Kinda off-topic, but am I the only one who usually joins meetings five minutes early? I hate being late, and that way I give myself five minutes of peaceful troubleshooting time if my mic doesn’t connect, for example.
You may indeed be the only one.
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Those note takes don’t actually take into account anything said before the meeting begins.
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Okay, but imagine if everybody just didn't attend. If the quick notes summarizing the meeting are enough for everybody, then the meeting is a waste of time.
If nobody attended, what would be getting summarised? I get what you’re saying, I’ve definitely been in organisations that had pointless meetings. “This meeting could have been an email” is a meme for a reason. Others though, it’s where different departments come together and share news/status, different executive/managers give run downs and updates about the company (e.g. chief of ops presents figures and areas that could be improved) and employees can ask questions about these or other pertinent topics.
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especially with your name attached.
maybe start with "hey, i'm Michail Bakunin, filling in for chris, and i'm here today to talk about syndicalism"
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See? It's just this sort of shit that kept me from locking in on the cubicle monkey grind — not for lack of trying, but for how I contributed. 
Example: once upon a time, there was a merger of two massive telecom brands (let's call them "Orange" and "Blue") and one was being subsumed entirely over the course of a year or so — including its complete customer database. Now, most of these accounts were simple enough to update & port, but someone up top decided to draw a line at a certain value and lump together alllll the accounts that were under that floor. Something about not wasting money on pros' hours for subprime, IIRC.
Long story short, it took me no time at all to write a script that did exactly what mgmt told us to do ( ~ "zero out all accounts within a certain range on either side of $0.00 via refund or extinguishment"), but since I was paid by the hour and mgmt got bonuses for how well their teams were doing, I made sure my little slop of code didn't outpace the other teams on the floor. I didn't take into account how absolutely mind-numbingly challenging it is to be in a cubicle for 8+ hrs/day with nothing at all to do...
Oh, and to further obfuscate my automation, I set it up on a few office mates' computers, too. Pretty soon, the whole team was secretly automated and straight up bored AF, so we kinda just took longer and longer lunches, more frequent smoke breaks, shared our music libraries, etc., but kept up the "barely above average, yet dedicated wage slaves" act in front of mgmt.
Imagine my face when it was not accolades we received once the jig was up.
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Kinda off-topic, but am I the only one who usually joins meetings five minutes early? I hate being late, and that way I give myself five minutes of peaceful troubleshooting time if my mic doesn’t connect, for example.
Man, just do it like the rest of us and join on time. Then realize you forgot to do sth/take a break/whatever and just claim the 5 minute troubleshoot time claiming your mic doesn't work, while you go to the toilet.
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Kinda off-topic, but am I the only one who usually joins meetings five minutes early? I hate being late, and that way I give myself five minutes of peaceful troubleshooting time if my mic doesn’t connect, for example.
Back to back meetings has entered the chat
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"How much is Chris making in Q2 by being trapped on a sinking ship?"
wrote on last edited by [email protected]If the ship is a metaphor for today's world affairs, I'd say record profits!
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that's the fun part about working in old european industry: we get six weeks, but everyone has to take them at the same time, and at that time the factory just... shuts down.
Oh wow that really sucks.
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If you get sufficient value out of a 30 second summary of an hour long meeting, then why have the hour long meeting?
(h)(n) + (t)(p) = W
(h length of meeting in hours) x (n number of people in the meeting) + (t number of hours prepping the meeting) x (p number of people prepping the meeting) = W number of work hours spent on this meeting. Multiply W by the average hourly wage. That's how much money the meeting cost. And that doesn't factor in the cost of productivity loss because everybody could've been doing something useful with that time instead.If it could've otherwise been ten minutes of writing an email and five minutes per worker reading and understanding it, then how is it anything other than an efficiency gain to just make that meeting an email? Instead, we're still putting the meeting together just to then pay in resources and possibly subscription cost to have the meeting summarized instead of just having the host do it in the first place.
I find the summaries pretty worthless but a transcript is super useful
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Sure, but you know how else you could give that information to the client and have them respond back?
By emailing the deck and asking for their thoughts.
We don't really need to coordinate having an hour window in everybody's schedule anymore.
Reading through a random deck is not remotely the same as watching a presentation
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Kinda off-topic, but am I the only one who usually joins meetings five minutes early? I hate being late, and that way I give myself five minutes of peaceful troubleshooting time if my mic doesn’t connect, for example.
I show up a couple minutes late because this should have been an email.
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A real hero would start talking about viagra and car insurance, and get the meeting emails flagged as spam.
Something like my dick is so hard right now that I can barely steer the car right?
