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    why would anarchism be a solution to this, surely it would make it worse?

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    Tell me you know nothing of anarchy without saying you know nothing.

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    • speculater@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

      Zero government. No rules. Take it with force. Of course we're aware of what y'all think. You're the libertarians of the left.

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      Nope, try again.

      No kings, no masters. Mutual aid and harmony without authoritarian leadership.

      Kropotkin can explain it better than I can, maybe pick up his book called Mutual Aid.

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        why would anarchism be a solution to this, surely it would make it worse?

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        Since no one is answering seriously, I will try. There is a distinct difference in anarchist philosophy between property and possession which I will try to explain with housing.

        Property is something that is used to oppress people. Which is why anarchist philosophy aims to abolish all property. In this case, housing that is being used for Airbnbs takes a house from someone that could use it to create a home for themselves and their family and instead uses that land and building to make a profit .

        Possession on the other hand would be someone using that land and building to make a home for themselves and their family, not to make a profit but to survive and exist.

        Owning one home for yourself is not a property but a possession but owning multiple homes that you use to make a profit is property. So the anarchist solution to this is to give that Airbnb to someone who could make it into a permanent home, not a short term rental.

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          This feels like misplaced anger, given that blackstone owns god knows how much of the real estate market ( and have recently been evicting tenants in order to sell, due to the city becoming 'less hospitable' ). But hopefully the new anti airbnb measures have some effect.

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          • T [email protected]

            Nope, try again.

            No kings, no masters. Mutual aid and harmony without authoritarian leadership.

            Kropotkin can explain it better than I can, maybe pick up his book called Mutual Aid.

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            Cute. Who protects the property? Mutual Aid sounds nice on paper. The truth of human nature is that the strong will take anything you work to build.

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              This feels like misplaced anger, given that blackstone owns god knows how much of the real estate market ( and have recently been evicting tenants in order to sell, due to the city becoming 'less hospitable' ). But hopefully the new anti airbnb measures have some effect.

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              In Barcelona?

              Not everything is solely an american issue, even (especially) when it comes to US companies.

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              • sagan@piefed.socialS [email protected]

                For more details: https://www.euronews.com/travel/2024/07/22/the-end-of-airbnb-in-barcelona-what-does-the-tourism-industry-have-to-say

                I live here ([email protected]), the mayor who announced the decision made it so that it would applied after the end of his tenure (that will end in 2027, the decision is supposed to happen in 2028)

                The other issue is that even besides tourism, Barcelona is a very attractive city for Spanish people due to the work opportunities, and there is definitely a lack of supply for the housing market. Getting back the Airbnb would help with the mass tourism (which is an issue of its own), but the housing crisis might still be there for a while.

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                So it is the same as in the rest of Europe with a helping of mass tourism so similar to Amsterdam and Paris.

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                  Spain is cracking down on this according to a local when I was there recently.

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                  On Airbnb or the garfiti?

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                  • S [email protected]

                    Since no one is answering seriously, I will try. There is a distinct difference in anarchist philosophy between property and possession which I will try to explain with housing.

                    Property is something that is used to oppress people. Which is why anarchist philosophy aims to abolish all property. In this case, housing that is being used for Airbnbs takes a house from someone that could use it to create a home for themselves and their family and instead uses that land and building to make a profit .

                    Possession on the other hand would be someone using that land and building to make a home for themselves and their family, not to make a profit but to survive and exist.

                    Owning one home for yourself is not a property but a possession but owning multiple homes that you use to make a profit is property. So the anarchist solution to this is to give that Airbnb to someone who could make it into a permanent home, not a short term rental.

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                    This reminds me of the campsite rule but applied globally: “Leave the world a better place than you found it.”

                    If your ethos is to own and manage as many housing units as possible, you're not going to improve them since, paradoxically, leaving the world a better place doesn't help grow your enterprise. On the other hand, if every housing unit is managed exclusively and only by a single local person who doesn't split their attention, then that person has a personal incentive to improve their home since they suffer the direct consequences of neglecting their possessions.

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                      I live in a small CA mountain town that was "the only town open" during COVID, and as such, Airbnb went apeshit. Well the market got oversaturated and now with people trying to offload these properties or rent them out to long term residents , and shocker, rents are coming down (along with home prices). We still have yoyos trying to get $4k/mo for a 2/1 piece of shit because I'm guessing they're upside down on their mortgage, but those properties have been sitting on the market for at least 6mos. I have zero empathy for the people that bought high and losing their asses because they wanted to make it rich at the expense of our local population.

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                      Throwing darts over here, Pinecrest?

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                      • speculater@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                        Cute. Who protects the property? Mutual Aid sounds nice on paper. The truth of human nature is that the strong will take anything you work to build.

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                        That is objectively wrong according to most historians and anthropologists. It is propaganda written by those in power to justify their abuse of power. What you are describing is generally seen as sociopathic and antisocial behavior. And this may come as a shock to you, but most people are not sociopaths.

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                          In Barcelona?

                          Not everything is solely an american issue, even (especially) when it comes to US companies.

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                          Doing some minimal research, it does appear as if they are trying to take over the world: https://archive.is/ZQBz3

                          It's kind of what they do.. I wouldn't assume safety because of borders or local rules and regulations. Those don't stand up against billions of dollars and a determined evil company.

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                          • baltakatei@sopuli.xyzB [email protected]

                            This reminds me of the campsite rule but applied globally: “Leave the world a better place than you found it.”

                            If your ethos is to own and manage as many housing units as possible, you're not going to improve them since, paradoxically, leaving the world a better place doesn't help grow your enterprise. On the other hand, if every housing unit is managed exclusively and only by a single local person who doesn't split their attention, then that person has a personal incentive to improve their home since they suffer the direct consequences of neglecting their possessions.

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                            Absolutely! And by improving your own home, you are directly improving the community and environment for those around you while others do the same for you.

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                              Yea well maybe you shoulda stayed in the damn place and not let them evict you you fkn loser. What happened to the spannish anarchist who had guns and balls.

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                                From what I heard from my brother, he lives in Barcelona, they are banning bnbs and short term rentals. In order to combat this problem.

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                                against its coz of those fkn yanks

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                                  why would anarchism be a solution to this, surely it would make it worse?

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                                  1. progressive taxation of properties that are not a primary residence. Rachet up the taxation for each additional property. I think their should be a certain amount of relief for actually maintaining the building and renting to Section 8/affordable housing programs
                                  2. actually enforce zoning. A short term rental is a hotel business and should require a commercial business license and respect the zoning associated with that type of license

                                  I fucking hate 2010 venture capital companies like AirBnb and Uber. Flaunt the law in a sexy way, loss lead with the capital to build market share, then crank the price up.

                                  It’s always bullshit behind a convenient app with great UI

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                                    Canmore?

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                                    Probably should've specified California lol

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                                      Throwing darts over here, Pinecrest?

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                                      Much further south, I ain't Uncle Rico

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                                        Yea well maybe you shoulda stayed in the damn place and not let them evict you you fkn loser. What happened to the spannish anarchist who had guns and balls.

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                                        Having no context whatsoever of the position the person making the graffiti was in: "If you don't kill people you're a loser"

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                                          Having no context whatsoever of the position the person making the graffiti was in: "If you don't kill people you're a loser"

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                                          Not only kill them but you're also supposed to eat their balls to absorb their warrior energy.

                                          Just eat their bols.

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