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  • fenrasulfr@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

    From what I heard from my brother, he lives in Barcelona, they are banning bnbs and short term rentals. In order to combat this problem.

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    against its coz of those fkn yanks

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      why would anarchism be a solution to this, surely it would make it worse?

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      1. progressive taxation of properties that are not a primary residence. Rachet up the taxation for each additional property. I think their should be a certain amount of relief for actually maintaining the building and renting to Section 8/affordable housing programs
      2. actually enforce zoning. A short term rental is a hotel business and should require a commercial business license and respect the zoning associated with that type of license

      I fucking hate 2010 venture capital companies like AirBnb and Uber. Flaunt the law in a sexy way, loss lead with the capital to build market share, then crank the price up.

      It’s always bullshit behind a convenient app with great UI

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        Canmore?

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        Probably should've specified California lol

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          Throwing darts over here, Pinecrest?

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          Much further south, I ain't Uncle Rico

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            Yea well maybe you shoulda stayed in the damn place and not let them evict you you fkn loser. What happened to the spannish anarchist who had guns and balls.

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            Having no context whatsoever of the position the person making the graffiti was in: "If you don't kill people you're a loser"

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              Having no context whatsoever of the position the person making the graffiti was in: "If you don't kill people you're a loser"

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              Not only kill them but you're also supposed to eat their balls to absorb their warrior energy.

              Just eat their bols.

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                Having no context whatsoever of the position the person making the graffiti was in: "If you don't kill people you're a loser"

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                lmao can you imagine the feeling of biting in another man testicle?

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                  Tell me you know nothing of anarchy without saying you know nothing.

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                  I believe they specifically asked about anarchy? If they know little about it, what could they have posted that would have been better than what they did post?

                  They're open to a lucky 10,000 moment; don't drop the ball!

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                  • S [email protected]

                    That is objectively wrong according to most historians and anthropologists. It is propaganda written by those in power to justify their abuse of power. What you are describing is generally seen as sociopathic and antisocial behavior. And this may come as a shock to you, but most people are not sociopaths.

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                    The people with the most power and force are sociopathic though. So we can all be as empathetic as is reasonable, but a relatively small group of well armed people will take everything.

                    Anarchy and Libertarianism are the wishful thinking of the left and right. People may on average be good, but large enough groups never are.

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                    • fenrasulfr@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                      So it is the same as in the rest of Europe with a helping of mass tourism so similar to Amsterdam and Paris.

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                      It's a bit different, Amsterdam and Paris are touristic destinations, but not to the same level as Barcelona.

                      By absolute numbers, Paris has obviously more visitors (22 millions vs 13 for Barcelona and 10 for Amsterdam), but Paris is much more populated than Barcelona.

                      Also, the type of tourism is quite different. Amsterdam and Paris are more expensive, while Barcelona is still seen as a cheaper destination, which brings a different type of crowd. On the same topic, the average level of income of the people living in Barcelona is quite lower than people living in Paris or Amsterdam, making it even more difficult for people living in Barcelona to compete against either tourists or "digital nomads" coming here to work without paying taxes locally.

                      Sources

                      • https://www.statista.com/topics/6314/tourism-in-paris/#topicOverview
                      • https://www.statista.com/topics/4156/tourism-in-barcelona/
                      • https://www.statista.com/topics/6025/tourism-in-amsterdam/
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                      • sagan@piefed.socialS [email protected]

                        It's a bit different, Amsterdam and Paris are touristic destinations, but not to the same level as Barcelona.

                        By absolute numbers, Paris has obviously more visitors (22 millions vs 13 for Barcelona and 10 for Amsterdam), but Paris is much more populated than Barcelona.

                        Also, the type of tourism is quite different. Amsterdam and Paris are more expensive, while Barcelona is still seen as a cheaper destination, which brings a different type of crowd. On the same topic, the average level of income of the people living in Barcelona is quite lower than people living in Paris or Amsterdam, making it even more difficult for people living in Barcelona to compete against either tourists or "digital nomads" coming here to work without paying taxes locally.

                        Sources

                        • https://www.statista.com/topics/6314/tourism-in-paris/#topicOverview
                        • https://www.statista.com/topics/4156/tourism-in-barcelona/
                        • https://www.statista.com/topics/6025/tourism-in-amsterdam/
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                        No I get it is not the same but the problems are similar. Too many tourist in a city with too few houses and apartments that are now being used as bnbs.

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                        • fenrasulfr@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                          No I get it is not the same but the problems are similar. Too many tourist in a city with too few houses and apartments that are now being used as bnbs.

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                          Yes indeed. I think in Europe the worst is probably Lisbon, that has basically been overrun by foreigners, but that's a common phenomenon in all major cities.

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                          • speculater@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                            The people with the most power and force are sociopathic though. So we can all be as empathetic as is reasonable, but a relatively small group of well armed people will take everything.

                            Anarchy and Libertarianism are the wishful thinking of the left and right. People may on average be good, but large enough groups never are.

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                            The whole point of mutual aid is to prevent that though. It organizes people together to stop a small group of people from taking everything.

                            The hard part is getting everyone to participate in mutual aid when we live in a dog eat dog world that was built by the small group of well armed people.

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                              You can also buy one of these tiny former airbnb studio condos for like 20k cad down if you are desperate. Good way to enter the market if that's all you can come up with. They are all sitting on the market and you can lowball.

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                              Link to condo purchase place?

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                              • sagan@piefed.socialS [email protected]

                                Yes indeed. I think in Europe the worst is probably Lisbon, that has basically been overrun by foreigners, but that's a common phenomenon in all major cities.

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                                I did know about Lisbon. I remember hearing the Swiss canton of Vaud had around 60% of it's population was foreigners. Which resulted in the local Swiss no longer being able to afford any form of housing anymore.

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                                  Link to condo purchase place?

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                                  Just go on realtor.ca and look for 0 bedroom 1 bath units

                                  20k down will get you into a <400k condo that will be like 2/3 the cost of what rent would be

                                  However I would be concerned it's a hard sell in 5 years when you want to upgrade. I know a lady who lives happily in 400sqft but I couldn't.

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                                    On Airbnb or the garfiti?

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                                    garfiti

                                    I choose to interpret this as referring specifically to Garfield Grafitti.

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                                      Since no one is answering seriously, I will try. There is a distinct difference in anarchist philosophy between property and possession which I will try to explain with housing.

                                      Property is something that is used to oppress people. Which is why anarchist philosophy aims to abolish all property. In this case, housing that is being used for Airbnbs takes a house from someone that could use it to create a home for themselves and their family and instead uses that land and building to make a profit .

                                      Possession on the other hand would be someone using that land and building to make a home for themselves and their family, not to make a profit but to survive and exist.

                                      Owning one home for yourself is not a property but a possession but owning multiple homes that you use to make a profit is property. So the anarchist solution to this is to give that Airbnb to someone who could make it into a permanent home, not a short term rental.

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                                      And the corporations have spent so much time and money fighting the idea that now anarchists are now associated with terrorists amongst boomers at least.

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                                        Canmore?

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                                        Hahaha fuck I miss old Canmore

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                                        • R [email protected]

                                          They banned airbnb in victoria bc last year and rent here has actually went down. From this one single change.

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                                          What happened is the province made short-term rentals only legal for primary residences and secondary suites.
                                          That sure helped some, but you can still find airbnb/vrbo listings in Victoria.

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