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It’s cute you think there’s a homeless shelter with room for y’all.
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Is CS not a good option these days?
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Is CS not a good option these days?
The CS jobs market fluctuates like any other market. Right this minute all the dumbass CEOs are trying to replace people with AI, just like they've repeatedly tried to have cheaper people in India do the jobs in the past.
Having people in India do it used to be called outsourcing, then off shoring, then a few other names, because every time it fails they have to call it something else to try again. The same will happen with AI.
I'm not the slightest worried about my own job, but it is currently a shitty market for fresh grads. Probably due to all the post-covid layoffs saturating the talent pool with more experienced people, and the aforementioned AI fad.
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Is CS not a good option these days?
shit tons of tech money is now earmarked for ai, so new graduates that focus on ai are very highly sought after and can expect to make a truckload of money in the next 5-10 years of working 80 hour weeks and being abused by zuckerberg, musk, et al.
that means there's far less spending on traditional development positions, especially junior devs who these companies are now trying to replace with ai. add on top that covid spending led to a massive increase in dev jobs which have been laid off since then.
tl;dr there are opportunities out there, but it's a very unhealthy, lopsided market that's not able to support the same population it could just a couple years ago. and all of this within a bubble that's already showing signs of being stretched to capacity.
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The CS jobs market fluctuates like any other market. Right this minute all the dumbass CEOs are trying to replace people with AI, just like they've repeatedly tried to have cheaper people in India do the jobs in the past.
Having people in India do it used to be called outsourcing, then off shoring, then a few other names, because every time it fails they have to call it something else to try again. The same will happen with AI.
I'm not the slightest worried about my own job, but it is currently a shitty market for fresh grads. Probably due to all the post-covid layoffs saturating the talent pool with more experienced people, and the aforementioned AI fad.
Which let me tell you, was real f-ing fun to have to watch unfold during my last year studying for my IT degree. The degree I went for thinking it would be the kind of thing least likely to be automated.
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It’s cute you think there’s a homeless shelter with room for y’all.
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I read it more as 'lol, good luck getting into a shelter without at least three jobs'.
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The CS jobs market fluctuates like any other market. Right this minute all the dumbass CEOs are trying to replace people with AI, just like they've repeatedly tried to have cheaper people in India do the jobs in the past.
Having people in India do it used to be called outsourcing, then off shoring, then a few other names, because every time it fails they have to call it something else to try again. The same will happen with AI.
I'm not the slightest worried about my own job, but it is currently a shitty market for fresh grads. Probably due to all the post-covid layoffs saturating the talent pool with more experienced people, and the aforementioned AI fad.
Now it’s “staff augmentation”
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The CS jobs market fluctuates like any other market. Right this minute all the dumbass CEOs are trying to replace people with AI, just like they've repeatedly tried to have cheaper people in India do the jobs in the past.
Having people in India do it used to be called outsourcing, then off shoring, then a few other names, because every time it fails they have to call it something else to try again. The same will happen with AI.
I'm not the slightest worried about my own job, but it is currently a shitty market for fresh grads. Probably due to all the post-covid layoffs saturating the talent pool with more experienced people, and the aforementioned AI fad.
I’m not the slightest worried about my own job, but it is currently a shitty market for fresh grads. Probably due to all the post-covid layoffs saturating the talent pool with more experienced people, and the aforementioned AI fad.
Its a bit more than that I think. IT is killing its entry level job pipeline which grew people into seniors. In the infra space, we don't really troubleshoot systems anymore in a "pets" method, we just redeploy new "cattle" meaning all the troubleshooting skills and underlying understanding of our systems you would have had doesn't get learned anymore. For those of us that had to go through that, we're fine because we developed the skills, but the new folks we bring in we just tell them to re-deploy to get it working.
I'm seeing this too in the software dev space. Small modules worth a few story points would have been given to junior developers to learn on and knock out getting some work done, but more importantly getting those juniors trained up with trial and error. Now an LLM can crank out mostly working code for that small module in a seconds and after a few minutes of human review that module is done. So the work is being done faster now, but the critical educational experience the juniors had before is missing.
In both infra and software dev spaces we're cutting off our ankles, then legs, because when we retire very very few will have our skills that we had to learn, but didn't give them the chance to learn.
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Which let me tell you, was real f-ing fun to have to watch unfold during my last year studying for my IT degree. The degree I went for thinking it would be the kind of thing least likely to be automated.
wrote last edited by [email protected]A lot of younger folks in IT, like myself, have been on the brink of exhaustion since 2022.
Sure, there was the "obsoletion" of PHP, Java, plain JS, etc. before, e.g. in favor of one of the JS frameworks that get released every other day.
But this one feels different. They are trying to sell you the idea of everything related to sw development and programming will get "outsourced" to a computer. The problem is, LLMs can't do the necessary thinking to build resilient systems as they can't "think", neither effective nor efficient. They can be great tools when used the right way, but that's about it.
This blog post summarizes this, admittedly subjective experience, way better than I could.
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We had a new member join the US Military with a Masters Degree in Music. Dude was like I am not washing dishes, I have a masters degree! Look E-3 it is your turn to wash these dishes you can sing while you wash.
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The CS jobs market fluctuates like any other market. Right this minute all the dumbass CEOs are trying to replace people with AI, just like they've repeatedly tried to have cheaper people in India do the jobs in the past.
Having people in India do it used to be called outsourcing, then off shoring, then a few other names, because every time it fails they have to call it something else to try again. The same will happen with AI.
I'm not the slightest worried about my own job, but it is currently a shitty market for fresh grads. Probably due to all the post-covid layoffs saturating the talent pool with more experienced people, and the aforementioned AI fad.
Right now my company calls it "Investing in IST"
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Which let me tell you, was real f-ing fun to have to watch unfold during my last year studying for my IT degree. The degree I went for thinking it would be the kind of thing least likely to be automated.
I started my degree in 2002, two years after the dotcom bust. I figured the market would rebound within five years. Right after I graduated (but thankfully after I got a job) the housing bubble burst. There's always something happening, but software engineering is still needed and we still make bank. Being unlucky with the timing will set back your career, but probably won't end it.
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It’s cute you think there’s a homeless shelter with room for y’all.
I don't think that's what the word cute means
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I’m not the slightest worried about my own job, but it is currently a shitty market for fresh grads. Probably due to all the post-covid layoffs saturating the talent pool with more experienced people, and the aforementioned AI fad.
Its a bit more than that I think. IT is killing its entry level job pipeline which grew people into seniors. In the infra space, we don't really troubleshoot systems anymore in a "pets" method, we just redeploy new "cattle" meaning all the troubleshooting skills and underlying understanding of our systems you would have had doesn't get learned anymore. For those of us that had to go through that, we're fine because we developed the skills, but the new folks we bring in we just tell them to re-deploy to get it working.
I'm seeing this too in the software dev space. Small modules worth a few story points would have been given to junior developers to learn on and knock out getting some work done, but more importantly getting those juniors trained up with trial and error. Now an LLM can crank out mostly working code for that small module in a seconds and after a few minutes of human review that module is done. So the work is being done faster now, but the critical educational experience the juniors had before is missing.
In both infra and software dev spaces we're cutting off our ankles, then legs, because when we retire very very few will have our skills that we had to learn, but didn't give them the chance to learn.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You still have to debug things in a cattle approach, though. If anything there's even more and more complex things to debug. Training will just have to shift from throwing the new hire into the deep end of the kiddie pool to something else. Granted, "something else" is probably going to be offloading it on educational institutions, which sucks for recent grads, so they'll have to work it out somehow. Probably by creating a market for post-grad practical skills classes, is my guess.
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I think it would have worked better if the comment wasn't prefaced with "it's cute you think" which is inherently insulting.
The meme is already self deprecating, like "haha things aren't looking good for me" so they're aware of the situation. It's just heaping an insult and bad news on someone who already is experiencing a negative outlook.
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We had a new member join the US Military with a Masters Degree in Music. Dude was like I am not washing dishes, I have a masters degree! Look E-3 it is your turn to wash these dishes you can sing while you wash.
join the US Military
Dude was like I am not washing dishes
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We had a new member join the US Military with a Masters Degree in Music. Dude was like I am not washing dishes, I have a masters degree! Look E-3 it is your turn to wash these dishes you can sing while you wash.
Dude couldn't swing officer with a master's?
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Dude couldn't swing officer with a master's?
Officer placement is weird (from my civilian perspective).
ROTS gets you in, then there's OCS (I think?) for professionals? But you need to have something that's relevant. Music won't get you in, but engineering, some sciences, etc.
And some professions like M.D.s and J.D.s can get direct commissions.
It's been a while since I had it explained so I probably messed a bunch of that up.
