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The basics of the Fediverse. Facebook, Twitter, Tiktok, Reddit, ... vs the Fediverse. What do you think?

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  • T [email protected]

    You can subscribe to and comment in Lemmy communities from Mastodon.

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    But you can’t view Mastodon posts from Lemmy.

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    • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.orgX [email protected]

      But you can’t view Mastodon posts from Lemmy.

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      True. That's currently not possible

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      • T [email protected]

        What do you think about this graphic?

        It should give an easy overview of the architecture of the Fediverse and what it differentiates from old social media.

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        bad chart

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        • snoopy@piefed.socialS [email protected]

          Maybe you can show that, we don't alway federate with every instance, with several drawing of this cloud network.

          That's also part of our freedom 🙂

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          #44

          Good idea. But I think it's better to explain that later, when people are already curious 🙂

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          • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

            Wait until you hear about [email protected]

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            #45

            He looks fun to be around 😅

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            • T [email protected]

              What do you think about this graphic?

              It should give an easy overview of the architecture of the Fediverse and what it differentiates from old social media.

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              My criticism is that it largely ignores the primary advantage of Fediverse services (Decentralizing services that are designed to operate Centrally), while mostly explaining what I've always considered to be the most pointless feature (Cross Service posting).

              It's a mildly neat feature if you want to centralize your entire social profile under one account (which is my security nightmare but you do you), but its not really fundamental to using federated services and its implementation can be inconsistent and confusing.

              Maybe have a bunch of "Lemmy" (or whatever) nodes arranged in a circle, the same color, with the same icon, and connected to each other through the middle of the circle. Then have the users connected to each node.

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              • snoopy@piefed.socialS [email protected]

                Yeah i do agree but sadjy, there is a reason some of us call it lemmyverse. We can see mastodon's content.

                Since Lemmy doesn't really support hashtag, the core of mastodon discoverability, I think switching to a new software is better.

                PieFed plan to support Mastodon this year. They already do it somewhat : you can follow PieFed user and a.gup.pe work well. You can also follow comment or post by setting up an alert.

                Currently, only mbin can do that.

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                hashtags don't work well on the Fediverse, a hashtag doesn't have an owning instance which means there's no way to push/pull the content by hashtag

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                • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD [email protected]

                  hashtags don't work well on the Fediverse, a hashtag doesn't have an owning instance which means there's no way to push/pull the content by hashtag

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                  On masto that helped me finding new people or thematic discussion. It may not work very well but it does works with boost. From what i was able to achieve with it, it's an amazing tool 😊

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                  • snoopy@piefed.socialS [email protected]

                    On masto that helped me finding new people or thematic discussion. It may not work very well but it does works with boost. From what i was able to achieve with it, it's an amazing tool 😊

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                    yea I mean it's fun to use and works well if you're on a large instance like mastodon.social, I use it even on a medium size instance

                    but communities/groups work better on the fediverse, and maybe something in between the 2 could be created, some kind of federated version of hashtags

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                    • T [email protected]

                      What do you think about this graphic?

                      It should give an easy overview of the architecture of the Fediverse and what it differentiates from old social media.

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                      #50

                      Love it! I've saved a copy, because I think it'll make future explanations a lot easier. Thanks!

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                      • T [email protected]

                        Interesting. How would you put this into a picture?

                        My friend (the average social media user) also didn't seem too interested in it. I can imagine something interesting for the average user in a video but not in an image.

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                        I would add random instance names to the service icons, to show them that the websites are interconnected and not just the services

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                        • T [email protected]

                          What do you think about this graphic?

                          It should give an easy overview of the architecture of the Fediverse and what it differentiates from old social media.

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                          There's no central authority here. But if it doesn't matter which instance you are on, then all the users on Lemmy are still just part of Lemmy.

                          On the graph I see other icons than Lemmy.

                          Are we able to see content from other social media? Or what is meant with that

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                          • wanpieserino@lemm.eeW [email protected]

                            There's no central authority here. But if it doesn't matter which instance you are on, then all the users on Lemmy are still just part of Lemmy.

                            On the graph I see other icons than Lemmy.

                            Are we able to see content from other social media? Or what is meant with that

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                            Certain other content crosses boarders. Matson especially. Whenever you see people replying to messages and it starts with some sort of [email protected] tagging, you're probably eavesdropping on a Mastadon thread and you don't even know it.

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                              The implementation details matter tho, your instance admin actively makes federation decisions that affect the content. I like to explain joining an instance as pledging yourself to a feudal warlord in medieval Japan

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                              • T [email protected]

                                What do you think about this graphic?

                                It should give an easy overview of the architecture of the Fediverse and what it differentiates from old social media.

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                                GLOBALISTS ARE TAKING OVER

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                                • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD [email protected]

                                  yea I mean it's fun to use and works well if you're on a large instance like mastodon.social, I use it even on a medium size instance

                                  but communities/groups work better on the fediverse, and maybe something in between the 2 could be created, some kind of federated version of hashtags

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                                  I'm not on mastodon social, i use it on

                                  • peculiar.florist an iceshrimp instance and their dev team want to support PieFed, Lemmy and Mbin
                                  • mastodon.tedomum.net and mastodon.zaclys.com they both belong to a collective of hosters.
                                    And hashtag work well. I have a list where i follow hashtag ar if i had a community around this keyword.

                                  If mastodon supported group, they would include lemmy, mbin, piefed support. We can remplace a.gup.pe

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                                  • J [email protected]

                                    Love it! I've saved a copy, because I think it'll make future explanations a lot easier. Thanks!

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                                    #57

                                    Awesome! That's what I wanted to achieve 😄

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                                    • snoopy@piefed.socialS [email protected]

                                      I'm not on mastodon social, i use it on

                                      • peculiar.florist an iceshrimp instance and their dev team want to support PieFed, Lemmy and Mbin
                                      • mastodon.tedomum.net and mastodon.zaclys.com they both belong to a collective of hosters.
                                        And hashtag work well. I have a list where i follow hashtag ar if i had a community around this keyword.

                                      If mastodon supported group, they would include lemmy, mbin, piefed support. We can remplace a.gup.pe

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                                      like I said, hashtags are fun, but the fact that even if you follow the hashtag it only shows posts that were already federated into your instance confuses people

                                      communities/groups will federate the posts for you if you follow, but following a hashtag does not give any federation

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                                      • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD [email protected]

                                        like I said, hashtags are fun, but the fact that even if you follow the hashtag it only shows posts that were already federated into your instance confuses people

                                        communities/groups will federate the posts for you if you follow, but following a hashtag does not give any federation

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                                        Well we would miss lot interesting topics from Mastodon. You may not see the point because english user base is big.

                                        Most of our user base stayed on Reddit or use Mastodon. Art ? Mastodon. News ? Mastodon...

                                        So how can we solve that ? On çastodon, i found lot user posting interesting links. Our left french media are also on mastodon.

                                        I went on mastodon, created an account, copy-pasta posted news on various communities, I used hashtag and some users commented on jlai.lu

                                        It does works but we need to allow the users the freedom to be followed or not. If they want to be followed, they can follow mastodon users. And that would be the first step to break "locked" software as reddit.

                                        We are more open then Reddit but, for me, i think we are replicating proprietary software organisation. We are still creating clone of twitter, reddit whereas we use a protocole that allow us to achieve much more thing.

                                        Should we try something else where lines between various software is blurred ?

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                                        • T [email protected]

                                          What do you think about this graphic?

                                          It should give an easy overview of the architecture of the Fediverse and what it differentiates from old social media.

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                                          This doesn’t explain things well. Lemmy is like a bunch of Reddits communicating with each other. The graphic makes it seem like there is just one Lemmy. Also, are Lemmy posts on Mastodon? Mastodon was largely empty last I checked.

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