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Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann

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  • prioritymotif@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

    Pixels are inferior to even the cheapest android phones out there. I have a two year old Motorola stylus that cost $100 and battery life is still over two days and I've dropped it a million times. Evey pixel I've owned had major issues with screen or battery life not worth the price when google can't handle making reliable hardware. Plus I have a headphone Jack.

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    I mean everyone has anecdotal evidence to "prove" their point... I have a Pixel 7a that still lasts 2 days and I've dropped it a million times and the screen hasn't cracked. It's also 2+ years old.

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      Nice, that makes sense. Doesn't is store more data than just an IMEI number though, like make/model, did you have to spoof that as well or was that easily ignored

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      Normally, yes. As for my government concerns, I'm using Nexus 5X. They probably would notice if they investigate but as long as there are no more than 1 active phones with the same IMEI, they most likely won't notice.

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      • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

        Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
        Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
        As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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        I have a fp4 and it is VERY annoying to not have jack(I don't wanna use bluetooth because jack works, doesn't need a battery and is low tech), so now I only listen to music on my computer, but I'm planning on making an mp3 player with a raspberry pi pico.

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        • iavicenna@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

          if this happens my next phone either will be a linux phone (if I can find a dependable one with banking apps allowed) or iOS out of spite

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          Take a look at SailfishOS, it's good.

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          • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubB [email protected]

            (non-Android) Linux phones aren't really ready for daily driving even for relatively advanced users - but it looks like we're gonna have to deal with it anyhow

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            SailfishOS os daily drivable IMO.

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              Its like Microsoft and Google are teaming up to drive me closer to Linux.

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              Yes, learn the truth and be enlightened. Both Microsoft and Google have been secretly scheming for a while now, with the sole intent to get girthero closer to Linux

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                Apple isn't a marketing company? Wow, if anything I would say that singularly defines what has made them successful. They put out solidly mid hardware, but are the best marketers in tech and always were.

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                Until a few months ago I was all-in the Apple ecosystem. iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple TV. Seeing them launch things like Universal Control was amazing.

                Then I jumped out, got a Pixel, put Graphene on it, and started messing with Linux.

                ... Only to discover that Universal Control is essentially just Input Leap, which can trace its history back to 2001 and the launch of Synergy.

                Apple are absolutely a marketing company. Don't get me wrong, they add some much-needed polish, but they essentially just rejig existing tech and lock it down so it only works on their devices sold in the last few years.

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                • O [email protected]

                  The hardware is absolutely not mid. It is inflexible. Compare the entry level MacBook Air to any comparable Windows laptop and you’ll be spending much more to get close to the same performance/battery/build quality. The thing that makes them successful is creating a unified ecosystem that is hard to leave. People don’t pick Apple because they are a bunch of idiot clones who are enamored with TV ads.

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                  Agree to disagree on that one. At least for a big proportion of folks who are snobby about having an iPhone.

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                    Sorry it took so long to reply, I was waiting for Gentoo to finish compiling on my phone.

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                    Compling the message*

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                      Android users will have no idea it's happening because only a tiny minority even knows what sideloading is. I don't think I have done it in my last 3 phones, so maybe a decade or so. It's definitely not enough of a reason even for someone like me to switch, let alone an average user.

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                      Well, I use Obtainium to install all my FOSS apps directly from the repository.

                      I also built a game for kids (available publicly) and then made a plugin just for my kid which includes some licensed characters, for obvious reasons I can't put that onto the Play Store, so apk installation it is.

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                        I use Debian as my daily driver and am disappointed to see that the best-supported devices under Mobian within my budget are the Pinephone (which has shockingly low specs) or the Pinephone Pro (recently discontinued, no longer sold. Also had poor specs).

                        I was toying with was getting an SBC with an LTE/5G hat & 7in touch screen, plugging it into a portable battery, and 3d printing a case for it.

                        Fairphone with PostMarketOS seems more practical.

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                        I have the PinePhone Pro in a drawer somewhere. It's just a fun toy, not even remotely usable as a daily driver.
                        But I might have a look at it again and see how many tasks still remains before I could theoretically use Mobian as a daily driver.

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                          My main problem with linux phones is that many apps only exist only for android or ios.

                          Sure some apps are basically a website that you can acess by web browser but many apps cant be replaced able (banking, tickets, public transport, games)

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                          Waydroid works really well to run
                          Android apps on mobile Linux, even for games. Doesn't help for banking apps though as they'll usually lock you out due to not passing Google safety checks.

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                            https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                            You're pissed about it? Visit here: https://opencollective.com/postmarketOS

                            IMHO that's our best shot. Totally Google free, mainstream Linux kernel.

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                            • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                              Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
                              Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
                              As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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                              Fairphone is too big, i don't want a phablet in my pocket

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                              • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separatel

                                If you wish for ANC you'll need a battery anyway, and most people do want ANC these days

                                they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them

                                I'm loosing my wired headphone far more often, for a simple reason: wireless ones having a battery allows me to make them beep, given they are near, of course.

                                bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability

                                Sure, and so are wired headphone as they act as an antenna, broadcasting to anyone with an appropriate receptor anything you say and/or hear.
                                As for the implementation vulnerabilities, at least it can be patched.

                                transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire

                                Sure, but is it that much of a problem? It would take years (if not decades) of constant listening to even use a dollar of electricity for wireless headphones. Even if you factor the data transmission from the phone into that.
                                And wired headphone are not energy neutral either. They works by pulling energy from the phone battery.

                                I prefer the wireless headphones ease of use to headphone I have to untangle every time I want to use them. I keep my wired ones for home uses.

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                                You can have both or you can deny people who like wired. You are choosing denial.

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                                  Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days

                                  Disputable.

                                  • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
                                  • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
                                  • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
                                  • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
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                                  BT 6.1 introduced Randomized RPA (Resolvable Private Address) which should help with some of the security issues. That said I wouldn’t expect to see headphones implementing 6.1 for quite some time. It just came out in May.

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                                    My main problem with linux phones is that many apps only exist only for android or ios.

                                    Sure some apps are basically a website that you can acess by web browser but many apps cant be replaced able (banking, tickets, public transport, games)

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                                    I thought so too, but over the years I have migrated so much of my life away from apps in order to see if it's possible and apart from games I find that with a browser and an email client I don't really need apps. Still use apps though, they are way more convenient.

                                    Banking is tedious without apps, but works with browser and an MFA-dongle in my country.

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                                    • don@lemmy.caD [email protected]

                                      lol the pinned comment on this video is

                                      “Ok, so what do i switch to now? I refuse apple. So what do i have to chose from?”,

                                      and Louis’ reply is “nothing”.

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                                      And it's not surprising he has that answer. I don't think I've seen but one video from this guy but it was him talking about how that lead Dev from graphene was harassing him. And up to that point he was super big into graphene apparently.

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                                        That has just always been the case as long as the app in both stores uses the same package string. (Like org.blitzortung.android.app or org.videolan.vlc)

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                                        Wasn't always the case (I think it changed within the past two years), but upon doing research on when it changed I stumbled on this gem.

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                                          You're pissed about it? Visit here: https://opencollective.com/postmarketOS

                                          IMHO that's our best shot. Totally Google free, mainstream Linux kernel.

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                                          Does this also work with android tablets? Or is there a separate os for those?

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