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Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann

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  • E [email protected]

    Their arguments are kind of lame. To install APKs from outside the store is already an involved process that generally makes it harder for the uninformed to sideload. Make sideloading a bit harder, but possible. My xiaomi makes me wait and read warnings before installing APKs, for example.

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    But this process impacts other stores, too, like FDroid.

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      https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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      $1000 USD for a mobile phone...no thanks.

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      • R [email protected]

        Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days

        Disputable.

        • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
        • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
        • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
        • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
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        I have two devices, one is my phone, and one only plays music. I only ever use my phone as my phone, and my music device as my music device in my car, and both run over Bluetooth.

        It is a crapshoot as to which role my car will assign to which device. Sometimes I have to put my phone in airplane mode so that the car won't try to assign it the media player role in Bluetooth settings. I'm not impressed.

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        • O [email protected]

          Something kind of concerning I just found - there's an option for "limited distribution" which is "Intended for 'students, hobbyists, and other personal use.'" One of the differences is the following:

          Has "capped number of apps and installs"(specific limits not disclosed)

          Doesn't this imply there's going to be global tracking of what apps people are installing even through sideloading or APKs? I can't think of any other way to enforce this. They would have to know how many times people installed an app even when its not through any kind of app store or even from the internet at all.

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          Presumably that will work like test flight does where you can only install the app through an invite system

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          • baronvonj@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

            Microsoft was already an established player in the smartphone market when the iPhone came out. It was Apple who came into the market and ate the lunches of MS and Blackberry.

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            I kind of feel like MS tried three distinct times, first with their WinMo products pre-Apple, then with their Nokia partnership, then finally with one last push through the mid-10's before Intel finally made x86 on mobile an impossibility (nuking the Atom line, selling their 5G modem business to Apple, etc) and before there just weren't any paths forward for MS.

            Amazon and FB having their own phone product lines felt like the weirdest me-too-also-ran Android reskins to extend their own walled gardens, but also felt like both threw in the towel after like 18 months?!?

            MS had to be a loser for more than a decade before they gave up. They were really great at being a big loser.

            It's just .. apparent that nobody is going to do this for the love of the game, and that they can only get minimum market presence by financing their way to launching yet another walled garden ecosystem. Which is exactly what we all want to avoid in this group.

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            • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

              Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
              Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
              As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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              Phones that run Linux and have a headphone jack:

              • https://volla.online/en/volla-phone-x23/

              • https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1/

              • https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/#tech-specs

              • https://pine64.org/devices/pinephone/

              2026 will be the year of the Linux phone!

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              • P [email protected]

                Apple isn't a marketing company? Wow, if anything I would say that singularly defines what has made them successful. They put out solidly mid hardware, but are the best marketers in tech and always were.

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                They aren't a marketing company; they're a tech company that knows how to market. Hate them all you want, and I do, but let's be honest. Also, the M series SoCs are technological amazing. They are efficient and powerful whereas in the standard PC world Intel is just pushing more electricity through their chips to try and keep up with IPC and AMD isn't far behind, plus ARM outside of Apple just isn't nearly the same.

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                  It's a great way to workaround them being forced to open the ecosystem a little and allowing alternative stores and that stuff. It only took more than a decade, they obviously not happy about it, so gotta screw people in another way.

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                  That's apple. Android has traditionally allowed sideloading. They aren't be forced to open up anything, they're just adding restrictions.

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                    My main problem with linux phones is that many apps only exist only for android or ios.

                    Sure some apps are basically a website that you can acess by web browser but many apps cant be replaced able (banking, tickets, public transport, games)

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                    The FLX1 runs FuriOS, which is an operating system based on Debian, designed and oriented for mobile use without any artificial limitations.

                    source

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                      I'd get disappointed if its distro wouldn't be called FuriOS

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                      The FLX1 runs FuriOS, which is an operating system based on Debian, designed and oriented for mobile use without any artificial limitations.

                      source

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                      • R [email protected]

                        Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days

                        Disputable.

                        • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
                        • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
                        • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
                        • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
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                        i'm a musician, have a trained ear and even with mild tinnitus have yet to see any BT audio transmission that matches the fidelity of cables.

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                          Wasn't always the case (I think it changed within the past two years), but upon doing research on when it changed I stumbled on this gem.

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                          "Google would never do something like that" comments just one year ago. Oh my! Google dropped the "don't be evil" motto a long time ago.

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                          • bananaonionjuice@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                            What about Android developers they will need to work with unsigned or self signed apps? Can't I just sign up as a developer?

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                            Annual rentseeking incoming, 3.2.1...

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                            • K [email protected]

                              Can a steam deck be turned into a phone?

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                              probably doesn't have the necessary antennae

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                              • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

                                i'm a musician, have a trained ear and even with mild tinnitus have yet to see any BT audio transmission that matches the fidelity of cables.

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                                That aspect did pop into my head but I am not qualified to comment as I never use any wireless headsets, nor are my ears trained enough for fully appreciating hi-fi quality.

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                                  https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                                  • E [email protected]

                                    You're pissed about it? Visit here: https://opencollective.com/postmarketOS

                                    IMHO that's our best shot. Totally Google free, mainstream Linux kernel.

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                                    Don't worry as the current OEMs continue to lock down bootloaders and lock required drivers behind copyright and other restrictive licensing schemes they will ensure nice things like PostmarketOS at best remain fringe and never able to replace modern phones for daily usage.

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                                      https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                                        That’s convenient to swap a battery but I feel like my phone is more likely to get soaked than need a battery swap at any time in the next two years. The FP6 is IP55 rated.

                                        Looks like FP6 battery is £45 and iPhone 14 is £60-£90 depending where you buy it. I know I can get that done in the next hour or two where I live, so I don’t see it as a big deal.

                                        The replaceable camera feature is more compelling because a broken front iPhone camera can effectively brick the device.

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                                        My phone is IP68 and you can replace the battery. Does require removing some screws to get the case off but I think that would pretty much be required to waterproof it anyway.

                                        Shame they discontinued Cat phones

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                                          Can a steam deck be turned into a phone?

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                                          It won't do phone calls or SMS but otherwise sure why not. Just call/msg with matrix or discord

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