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Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann

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  • D [email protected]

    Lol, that's like saying "my country became a dictatorship, so I'm gonna support another country's dictator out of spite"

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    Not really, it is more like saying "I am going to move to another dictatorship". In both cases, lose enough of your "members" and your organisation becomes significantly weaker.

    Also iPhone has been quite constant about its motivations and priorities quite from the start (even if did not announce it publicly lol). Android however was a product of a company who started its life with the motto "don't be evil" and is now trying to monopolize the shit out of everything, including its users free time. I am not even sure this can even be classified as a lesser of two evils scenario anymore.

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      I'll drink water from the toilet 'cos the wine is bad!

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      Have fun drinking your wine from the toilet bowl.

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      • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

        Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
        Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
        As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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        I never had one of my wired earbuds fall off the platform at the train station and disappear in the gravel, nor did I ever have isues with forgetting to charge them, let alone their case being brolen and not charging at all. And if I want to switch my favourite headphones over from my PC to my phone, I'm really glad my old phone still has a jack.

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        • joel_feila@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

          Can someone explain how this affects graphene os users?

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          Someday you will have to buy a new phone.

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          • L [email protected]

            Oh, I was comparing flagships, because iphone doesn't have a non-flagship to compare to.

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            You probably didn't do it on purpose, but you made a comparison on Apple's terms, thus implicitly priveleging Apple.

            Last thing Apple needs is us priveleging it.

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            • R [email protected]

              https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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              Apple now allows sideloading of apps and Google is trying to get rid of sideloading.

              What... the Fuck?

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                Yeah but don't you have to boot up your PC and connect your phone to iTunes once a week to re-enable developer mode to be able to sideload? Is there a more permanent method that I'm unaware of?

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                Jesus, how the heck is this called "sideloading is so easy on an iPhone"?

                That's a nightmare procedure, and completely unnecessary.

                Obviously Apple makes sideloading as hard as possible.

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                • O [email protected]

                  Does this mean the end for YouTube Revanced on Android?

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                  Shit, I hadn't thought of that.

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                  • H [email protected]

                    Apple hardware has always been a generation ahead. Even when android/qualcom catches up, next generation is out already. The reason to avoid apple was it being a closed system money grab.

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                    Apple hardware ahead of Android? I'll have what you're having!

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                    • D [email protected]

                      A $200 phone in 2015 is not the same as a $200 phone in 2025. I know from experience.

                      Those phones in 2015 were awful, but in 2025, they feel more like mid-range phones.

                      Edit: And $600 is pocket change? Sound like someone lived a privilaged life.

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                      I make $19/hr and live paycheck to paycheck. I'm just being realistic about the current cell phone market.

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                      • viking@infosec.pubV [email protected]

                        I'm wearing my smartwatch as a wristwatch. All notifications are off, but I see the temperature, UV index, step and calorie counters, which is nice. And if I ever want to review my sleep data, pulse, sPO2 saturation and location history, I got it available just in case. And for the very rare case that my phone is charging and I want to access messages from another room, I can do that manually.

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                        In all fairness to smart watches, mine is what turned me on to regularly checking the UV index. That's an important thing for all people, but especially me because I have an increased skin cancer risk due to unrelated medical stuff. And it was extra-extra important this year because I have done a ton of good work outside this summer.

                        And to be more specific about my watch situation, there's more going on than just avoiding notifications. I have been minimizing the amount of stuff I keep on my person in general, right down to finally getting my wedding ring tattooed on this year. There are various reasons ranging from abstract introspective life improvement stuff to the practical where that outside work I mentioned was constant and pretty rough on anything on my hands/arms.

                        So even if I wore a nice mechanical watch, I'd probably still be going with the double bare wrists right now.

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                          Apple now allows sideloading of apps and Google is trying to get rid of sideloading.

                          What... the Fuck?

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                          Now we have to get EU on the case šŸ˜€

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                          • S [email protected]

                            Apple hardware ahead of Android? I'll have what you're having!

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                            Please show me a single benchmark with a flagship android beating a flagship iPhone.

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                            • tomiant@programming.devT [email protected]

                              My suspicion is that the main purpose of Googles decision is to stop F-Droid and Aurora Store from working.

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                              They don’t care about those.

                              They want revanced and other ad circumvention tools out.

                              They ARE an ad company, you know?

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                              • W [email protected]

                                You probably didn't do it on purpose, but you made a comparison on Apple's terms, thus implicitly priveleging Apple.

                                Last thing Apple needs is us priveleging it.

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                                I'm just saying Apple doesn't make anything close to a cheap stripped down $200 model.

                                I made the comparison based on feature set. For that you need an android flagship phone. Android DOES make cheap phones....but therexs no 1:1 comparison for Apple.

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                                • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                  Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
                                  Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
                                  As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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                                  They won’t become ā€œremovableā€ like in ye old Nokia days. It’s not like you can carry extra batteries and just swap them on the go.

                                  They just have to be swappable without special tools or specialist equipment.

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                                  • P [email protected]

                                    I make $19/hr and live paycheck to paycheck. I'm just being realistic about the current cell phone market.

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                                    Surely cost relative to income is more relevant than cost relative to the rest of the market? Something doesn't magically become cheap just because everything else is ridiculously expensive.

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                                      This 100%

                                      I have used tracfone since 2012 and only bought phones from their store, sub $150. The budget phones today are so much better than the last 10 years.

                                      I just can't wrap my head around sinking that much into a phone when you replace it every year and it cost as much as a decent budget computer, but worse.

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                                      I just can’t wrap my head around sinking that much into a phone when you replace it every year

                                      Usually the people who replace their flagship phone every 1 - 2 years aren't paying full price for it, or at least not upfront. They are receiving trade-in and pre-order discounts, or spreading the cost out over a 12 - 24 month period through a plan with their telco.

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                                        https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                                        > be me
                                        > buy new phone, chose android cause I can install anything on it
                                        > get free iphone from work
                                        > sell iphone on ebay cause I can install anything I want on my android
                                        > google doesnt want me to install anything I want

                                        Fuck me. I kept the wrong phone.

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                                        • O [email protected]

                                          Does this mean the end for YouTube Revanced on Android?

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                                          not necessarily. the developer needs to sign the APK with a key issued by Google. the main issue here is that developers will be forced to identify themselves.

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