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Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann

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  • G [email protected]

    I'm pretty curious about the C2, as well, but don't live in their market, and don't want to pay 100% of the phone cost in shipping fees, etc. And after all that, I have no guarantee of support. As for the €60 per year, my latest phone is an S22 Ultra, half of whose features I no longer use due to the updated Samsung TOS. I can absorb that cost for the sake of updates, if they'd let me.

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    The forums suggest there are quite a lot of bugs and the device is slow. I hope Sailfish OS continues to improve but for a daily driver I'm leaning towards Graphene OS as the best option for now.

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      Apple hardware ahead of Android? I'll have what you're having!

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      a18pro beats M3 max in single core. Compared to 7840hs, it has 40% high single score geekbench 6, though 50% less multicore. Even beats ai395max at single score. Android competition catches up to even in gaming/gpu, but single core/responsiveness is still light years ahead. a19 next month, likely. M3 ultra has competitive aspects to xeon and epyc. Apple definitely has a lead on arm implementations.

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      • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

        did... did you just call sennheiser a chinese knockoff? dude, know when to bow out

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        Hell no. I'm well aware it is a good audio brand (german I think, but may be mistaken)

        What I wanted to say here is that I prefer an objective good quality product, adapted to my needs, to a brand name. Even well known brands sometimes make bad products.

        As an example, I have a Sony WH-1000XM3. But if I'd be interested in an XM4, there is no way in hell I'd buy an XM5, because of some shitty choices they took (no more foldable design, forced adaptative ANC). Maybe the XM6 will end up of interest to me, I did not yet check its specs, but considering I recently changed my current XM3 battery, I won't be back on the market until the XM7 or XM8.

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        • I [email protected]

          In all fairness to smart watches, mine is what turned me on to regularly checking the UV index.

          Can't you just do that on your phone? Surely if the UV is high, you just plan accordingly for the day? Sunscreen, wide brim hat, stick to the shade where possible, etc. I can't imagine what benefit constantly checking the UV on your watch gives you. Even if it did happen to fluctuate for some reason, you would be wasting so much time constantly ducking in and out depending on what your watch says at any given moment.

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          Yeah you are absolutely right. I do just check it on my phone or PC now.

          But having it constantly visible for the months or years I had it on my watch face etched the habit into my ADHD brain. It also gave me a feel for how weather and time of day affect it. But not in a way where I try to vibe measure the UV index. It reminds me to check the weather data. πŸ™‚

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          • J [email protected]

            Who is we? what group of people has the dev funding and time to produce FOSS hardware and software to compete with the average android phone?

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            We the people that want a finished product with distribution and a good eco system from day zero. It must be next gen hardware and be priced more than competitively.

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              https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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              This is an android 16 feature, scheduled for sept 2026 "prerelease" and 2027 rollout. I expect/hope some phones will have a setting to disable "the security". If not, there is great opportunty for high end hardware linux first phones, with good android emulation software.

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                This is an android 16 feature, scheduled for sept 2026 "prerelease" and 2027 rollout. I expect/hope some phones will have a setting to disable "the security". If not, there is great opportunty for high end hardware linux first phones, with good android emulation software.

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                I'll go to iphone if it's not able to be disabled. And I hate iphone.

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                • E [email protected]

                  Unfortunately a Fairphone is not a secure device.

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                  From a practical standpoint it’s secure enough for me, and I value the fair sourcing of components and labor a lot more than the little I am losing on security.

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                  • whaleross@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                    We the people that want a finished product with distribution and a good eco system from day zero. It must be next gen hardware and be priced more than competitively.

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                    It's good to want, and I say that as someone who would dance for joy if an open source phone became viable. If you think starting a new ecosystem and expecting it to be "good, next gen, priced competitively" is feasible via volunteer work anytime soon, I want whatever you're smoking πŸ™‚

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                      https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                      What even is the reason for this? All this is going to accomplish is less Android market share.

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                        This 100%

                        I have used tracfone since 2012 and only bought phones from their store, sub $150. The budget phones today are so much better than the last 10 years.

                        I just can't wrap my head around sinking that much into a phone when you replace it every year and it cost as much as a decent budget computer, but worse.

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                        People who upgrade every year sell their old one at >50% the price.

                        So they don't fork over €600, they only do €250 or so.

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                        • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                          Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
                          Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
                          As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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                          So what if Bluetooth are "better"?

                          Still no reason to not have both.

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                          • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                            Run the cable through your shirt. Problem solved.

                            New problem created. Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily because you have this wire running through your shirt connecting your phone to your headphones. Also, if it's winter, now your phone has to go in an inner pocket not an outer one so you can't easily access it anymore.

                            Or you can, I don't know, unplug the headphones for 2 seconds.

                            And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world? Well, you could pause what you're listening to first. Don't you see how this is much less convenient than wireless headphones where you don't have to make all these compromises?

                            Redundant. Also, put your phone in your pocket and stop whinin'.

                            Ah, accept a less convenient alternative because of the limitations of the wires. Sure, sounds great.

                            My man, are you allergic to speakers? You're cooking in a kitchen.

                            You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise? What's wrong with you. Use headphones, you're in a kitchen!

                            Skill issue. Run your wire underneath your jacket and you won't have this """problem""".

                            Now you have the other problems with your phone being inside an inner pocket and not easily accessible for doing things like taking pictures or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

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                            Great arguments! ~/s~

                            Still no reason to not just have both options.

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                              You don't have a problem with Google dictating what you can and cannot do on your own phone? Seriously?

                              What's the benefit of that?

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                              I guess I was brought up believing that if you do nothing wrong, theres no point hiding your identity.

                              I'm fine knowing the person who wrote the code of the app that I am about to install has had courage to identify themselves.

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                              • echolalia@lemmy.mlE [email protected]

                                As a user, you should be upset that a private company is controlling how you are allowed to use your device that you paid for with your money.

                                This would be like if Microsoft decided you could only run Microsoft-approved code on a computer you purchased, in some cases with a locked bootloader so you can't even change your OS.

                                Also, Google is (imho) already operating unethically when it comes to the app store (See Google v. Epic). I don't care about Fortnite, but Google really shouldn't be able to take a cut of random services just because it's running on Android.

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                                Doesn't upset me, why? Because it's not about controlling what app I install, but who wrote the app I might install. If my understanding is not correct of this change , I'm happy to be shown I'm wrong.

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                                  It's good to want, and I say that as someone who would dance for joy if an open source phone became viable. If you think starting a new ecosystem and expecting it to be "good, next gen, priced competitively" is feasible via volunteer work anytime soon, I want whatever you're smoking πŸ™‚

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                                  It was a sarcasm.

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                                    https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                                    I just hope that the Graphene devs continue to support the last supported versions of Android that allow installing apks.

                                    I couldn't be happier with my P7 that has been running Graphene since day one. Zero Google. Zero problems

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                                    • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                                      Run the cable through your shirt. Problem solved.

                                      New problem created. Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily because you have this wire running through your shirt connecting your phone to your headphones. Also, if it's winter, now your phone has to go in an inner pocket not an outer one so you can't easily access it anymore.

                                      Or you can, I don't know, unplug the headphones for 2 seconds.

                                      And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world? Well, you could pause what you're listening to first. Don't you see how this is much less convenient than wireless headphones where you don't have to make all these compromises?

                                      Redundant. Also, put your phone in your pocket and stop whinin'.

                                      Ah, accept a less convenient alternative because of the limitations of the wires. Sure, sounds great.

                                      My man, are you allergic to speakers? You're cooking in a kitchen.

                                      You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise? What's wrong with you. Use headphones, you're in a kitchen!

                                      Skill issue. Run your wire underneath your jacket and you won't have this """problem""".

                                      Now you have the other problems with your phone being inside an inner pocket and not easily accessible for doing things like taking pictures or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

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                                      You're like one of those people from infomercials who is unrealistically bad at simple low-skill activities

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                                        https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                                        Christ. Some cheap phone for calls, SMS and banking. Some other device for literally everything else, perhaps I can get it with a headphone jack again.

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                                        • amnesigenic@lemmy.mlA [email protected]

                                          You're like one of those people from infomercials who is unrealistically bad at simple low-skill activities

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                                          And you're like that farmer with his ass, glaring at all the newfangled technology, convinced it must be useless because you can't understand it.

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