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Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann

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  • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

    Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
    Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
    As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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    So what if Bluetooth are "better"?

    Still no reason to not have both.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

      Run the cable through your shirt. Problem solved.

      New problem created. Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily because you have this wire running through your shirt connecting your phone to your headphones. Also, if it's winter, now your phone has to go in an inner pocket not an outer one so you can't easily access it anymore.

      Or you can, I don't know, unplug the headphones for 2 seconds.

      And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world? Well, you could pause what you're listening to first. Don't you see how this is much less convenient than wireless headphones where you don't have to make all these compromises?

      Redundant. Also, put your phone in your pocket and stop whinin'.

      Ah, accept a less convenient alternative because of the limitations of the wires. Sure, sounds great.

      My man, are you allergic to speakers? You're cooking in a kitchen.

      You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise? What's wrong with you. Use headphones, you're in a kitchen!

      Skill issue. Run your wire underneath your jacket and you won't have this """problem""".

      Now you have the other problems with your phone being inside an inner pocket and not easily accessible for doing things like taking pictures or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

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      Great arguments! ~/s~

      Still no reason to not just have both options.

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        You don't have a problem with Google dictating what you can and cannot do on your own phone? Seriously?

        What's the benefit of that?

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        I guess I was brought up believing that if you do nothing wrong, theres no point hiding your identity.

        I'm fine knowing the person who wrote the code of the app that I am about to install has had courage to identify themselves.

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        • echolalia@lemmy.mlE [email protected]

          As a user, you should be upset that a private company is controlling how you are allowed to use your device that you paid for with your money.

          This would be like if Microsoft decided you could only run Microsoft-approved code on a computer you purchased, in some cases with a locked bootloader so you can't even change your OS.

          Also, Google is (imho) already operating unethically when it comes to the app store (See Google v. Epic). I don't care about Fortnite, but Google really shouldn't be able to take a cut of random services just because it's running on Android.

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          Doesn't upset me, why? Because it's not about controlling what app I install, but who wrote the app I might install. If my understanding is not correct of this change , I'm happy to be shown I'm wrong.

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            It's good to want, and I say that as someone who would dance for joy if an open source phone became viable. If you think starting a new ecosystem and expecting it to be "good, next gen, priced competitively" is feasible via volunteer work anytime soon, I want whatever you're smoking 🙂

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            It was a sarcasm.

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            • R [email protected]

              https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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              I just hope that the Graphene devs continue to support the last supported versions of Android that allow installing apks.

              I couldn't be happier with my P7 that has been running Graphene since day one. Zero Google. Zero problems

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              • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                Run the cable through your shirt. Problem solved.

                New problem created. Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily because you have this wire running through your shirt connecting your phone to your headphones. Also, if it's winter, now your phone has to go in an inner pocket not an outer one so you can't easily access it anymore.

                Or you can, I don't know, unplug the headphones for 2 seconds.

                And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world? Well, you could pause what you're listening to first. Don't you see how this is much less convenient than wireless headphones where you don't have to make all these compromises?

                Redundant. Also, put your phone in your pocket and stop whinin'.

                Ah, accept a less convenient alternative because of the limitations of the wires. Sure, sounds great.

                My man, are you allergic to speakers? You're cooking in a kitchen.

                You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise? What's wrong with you. Use headphones, you're in a kitchen!

                Skill issue. Run your wire underneath your jacket and you won't have this """problem""".

                Now you have the other problems with your phone being inside an inner pocket and not easily accessible for doing things like taking pictures or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?

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                You're like one of those people from infomercials who is unrealistically bad at simple low-skill activities

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                  https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                  Christ. Some cheap phone for calls, SMS and banking. Some other device for literally everything else, perhaps I can get it with a headphone jack again.

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                  • amnesigenic@lemmy.mlA [email protected]

                    You're like one of those people from infomercials who is unrealistically bad at simple low-skill activities

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                    And you're like that farmer with his ass, glaring at all the newfangled technology, convinced it must be useless because you can't understand it.

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                      Great arguments! ~/s~

                      Still no reason to not just have both options.

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                      Well, the reason not to have both options if you're a phone manufacturer is that pesky port. Every port is a headache for them. There structural weak points, they're places that can get dust and dirt in them, etc. As a user, I want as many options as possible, but if I can get a phone that's $100 cheaper because it doesn't have a headphone port, I'll definitely choose that option.

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                      • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                        And you're like that farmer with his ass, glaring at all the newfangled technology, convinced it must be useless because you can't understand it.

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                        Lol nah you're just butthurt, get over it

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                          I don't see how the DMA would cause this other than Google preemptively setting themselves up for malicious compliance. The whole point of the DMA seems to be to give users choice not take it away.

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                          DMA is only partly for choice. Sorry, different act, but same group (EU). But the rest pretty much stands the same, the EU won't see it as malicious compliance, but as a great design choice.

                          https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-services-act_en

                          This is also huge part of it about being able to “prevent illegal” content.

                          “easier reporting of illegal content”
                          “less exposure to illegal content”
                          “level-playing field against providers of illegal content”

                          This will help give paper trails for everything, and that allows for easy reporting which is the bigger part of the DMA.

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                          • amnesigenic@lemmy.mlA [email protected]

                            Lol nah you're just butthurt, get over it

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                            You sure wish those kids would get off your lawn.

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                            • A [email protected]

                              From what I hear you can either 1. Register with Xiaomi and try to unlock it once a month. 2. Slip a service center worker with special access like 100RMB or buy a pre-unlocked one on taobao. 3. Ask said worker to downgrade firmware, then, before they relock it, snatch phone and run out of the store.

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                              1. Ask said worker to downgrade firmware, then, before they relock it, snatch phone and run out of the store.

                              Lmfao I just saw that video on reddit, it was so bizarre

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                              • dudenessboy@sh.itjust.worksD [email protected]

                                What even is the reason for this? All this is going to accomplish is less Android market share.

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                                Because of people installing malware.
                                Its only recently that most Android phone owners even used the internet features, now you need apps just to park your car.
                                There's nothing stopping someone from having you install malware from a pirate QR code someone puts over the proper sticker.

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                                • gemini24601@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                                  When it comes to the current final frontier, Linux phones, what brands/models would be the best option? Or are you all really recommending iPhones?

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                                  You can't sideload in Linux.

                                  "All" you need to do is reflash your phone and reinstall Android/Chromium (soon to be renamed Android).
                                  Since you are not a certified supplier, the checking is not activated.

                                  On Chromebooks the setting will be on, since they are used in schools, but since it has a terminal you can remove the block, it won't be simple, probably terminal commands and changing configuration files, but it won't be impossible.

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                                  • K [email protected]

                                    You also need every company to develop for a third mobile platform, where two different ones are already a big ask.

                                    Easy solution would be to run existing apps on Linux, probably would be Android.

                                    Another solution would we move to PWAs to have apps in the browser.

                                    Both these things already happened on desktop Linux with Windows games using Proton and most proprietary desktop apps switching to Electron.

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                                    Honest question - why not fork android which already has all of the infrastructure needed for things like 5G handling, power management, and a widely supported ecosystem of components and vendors?

                                    I would try a Linux phone, absolutely, but why not just Android instead?

                                    The issue is current and future vendors for current and future Android phones are largely tainted and lockstep with Google.

                                    But wouldn't developing off yesteryear Android still be leap years ahead of just reinventing the wheel around Linux? I kinda thought Android was Linux for our devices.

                                    I'm mostly saying this just because I'm jealous to bring all of my APK's with me into that future.

                                    I don't want to give up my reddit app and my current trio of browsers.

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                                      Because of people installing malware.
                                      Its only recently that most Android phone owners even used the internet features, now you need apps just to park your car.
                                      There's nothing stopping someone from having you install malware from a pirate QR code someone puts over the proper sticker.

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                                      My guess is that it's because people are using apps to get around Google's revenue generating mechanisms, like apps to get YouTube without ads.

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                                        Apple now allows sideloading of apps and Google is trying to get rid of sideloading.

                                        What... the Fuck?

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                                        Don't call it sideloading. Did you watch the video?

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                                        • whaleross@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                                          It was a sarcasm.

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                                          You forgot your /s

                                          Expecting sarcasm to be understood in text is dumb. Too many dipshits exist to assume people arnt serious

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