AI Training Slop
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Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?
Straw-hat much or just learning about logistics and sourcing in our globalized supply chain?
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Straw-hat much or just learning about logistics and sourcing in our globalized supply chain?
FWIW the person I asked did reply, they don't care : https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17397024
Hope it helps.
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Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Apologies for my sarcastic answer, I did actually search for that a little while ago so I do assume most people do know but that's incorrect. The most useful tool I know of would probably be https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/uyghurs-for-sale-re-education-forced-labour-and-surveillance-beyond-xinjiang/ It wasn't specific to children but it does show the process and I'd argue can be apply for the different criteria one would want to focus on. It dates back few years ago, when I learned about the problem so there also you might want to prefer a more up to date source.
Let me know if you are looking for something more precise. I know of few other tools which do help better understand who builds what and how, for electronics but other products too.
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Feel free to explain the down votes.
If it wasn't clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]"I was honestly hoping this community to care more."
So you want us to all go destroy paintings in art gallery and super glue our hands to the road with you?
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"I was honestly hoping this community to care more."
So you want us to all go destroy paintings in art gallery and super glue our hands to the road with you?
You looking for an excuse? No one else brought it up but if you need permission, go ahead. Thumbs up from me.
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"I was honestly hoping this community to care more."
So you want us to all go destroy paintings in art gallery and super glue our hands to the road with you?
Please, do whatever you want to protect the environment you cherish. My point though was literally asking somebody who did point a better way to do it if they were aware of all the costs of their solution. If you missed it, their answer was clear : they do not know and they do not care. I was not suggesting activism, solely genuinely wondering if they actually understood the impact of the alternative they showcased. Honestly, just do whatever you can.
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"I was honestly hoping this community to care more."
So you want us to all go destroy paintings in art gallery and super glue our hands to the road with you?
You know what, again maybe I'm misreading you.
If you do want to help, do try with me to answer the question. I did give a path to the person initially mentioning the Model Card. Maybe you are aware of that but just in cased a Model Card is basic meta-data about a model, cf https://huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards
Some of them do mention CO2 equivalent, see https://huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards-co2 so here I don't know which model they used but maybe finding a way have CO2 equivalent for the most popular models, e.g DeepSeek, and some equivalent (they mentioned not driving a car) would help us all grasping at least some of the impact.
What do you think?
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Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?
- It's obviously six children.
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Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly [...] offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.
That's some strange logic. Either you do know and you can estimate that the offset will indeed "balance it out" or you don't then you can't say one way or the other.
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Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly [...] offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.
That's some strange logic. Either you do know and you can estimate that the offset will indeed "balance it out" or you don't then you can't say one way or the other.
Running a 500W GPU 24/7 for a full year is less than a quarter of the energy consumed by the average automobile in the US (in 2000). I don’t know how many GPUs this person has or how long it took to fine tune the model, but it’s clearly not creating an ecological disaster. Please understand there is a huge difference between the power consumed by companies training cutting-edge models at massive scale/speed, compared to a locally deployed model doing only fine tuning and inferencing.
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I see. Well, I checked your post history because I thought "Heck, they sound smart, maybe I'm the problem." and my conclusion based on the floral language you often use with others is that you are clearly provoking on purpose.
Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of time to argue this way so I'll just block you, this way we won't have to interact in the future.
Take care and may we never speak again.
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Running a 500W GPU 24/7 for a full year is less than a quarter of the energy consumed by the average automobile in the US (in 2000). I don’t know how many GPUs this person has or how long it took to fine tune the model, but it’s clearly not creating an ecological disaster. Please understand there is a huge difference between the power consumed by companies training cutting-edge models at massive scale/speed, compared to a locally deployed model doing only fine tuning and inferencing.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I specifically asked about the training part, not the fine tuning but thanks to clarifying.
Edit : you might be interested in helping with https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17397757 please
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Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?
Just curious, do you know how many trees were MOLESTED to create that air you're breathing?
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Gosh so many real problems being solved with computers! I always knew they would be useful one day.
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I see. Well, I checked your post history because I thought "Heck, they sound smart, maybe I'm the problem." and my conclusion based on the floral language you often use with others is that you are clearly provoking on purpose.
Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of time to argue this way so I'll just block you, this way we won't have to interact in the future.
Take care and may we never speak again.
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I just saw an ad for a “training course” to “qualify” people to interact with AI as a profession.
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Feel free to explain the down votes.
If it wasn't clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.
What's clear is that you don't realize how much energy AI actually uses up and you ate up propaganda that you are spreading right now. A querry that runs for 20s to generate an image on a card that uses up at most 350W/h during heavy gaming sessions isn't magically going to doom the world. Chill out.
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What's clear is that you don't realize how much energy AI actually uses up and you ate up propaganda that you are spreading right now. A querry that runs for 20s to generate an image on a card that uses up at most 350W/h during heavy gaming sessions isn't magically going to doom the world. Chill out.
I'll assume you didn't misread my question on purpose, I didn't ask about inference, I asked about training.
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I'll assume you didn't misread my question on purpose, I didn't ask about inference, I asked about training.
How much energy was used to bring the truckload of groceries into the shop that one time so hundreds of people can use it?
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How much energy was used to bring the truckload of groceries into the shop that one time so hundreds of people can use it?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Great point, so are you saying there is a certain threshold above which training is energetically useful but under which it is not, e.g. if training of a large model is used by 1 person, it is not sustainable but if 1 million people use it (assuming it's done productively, not spam or scam) then it is fine?
