How does everyone deal with this dilemma?
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Well, there certainly are """"people"""" (Nationalist Christians, aka Nat-Cs) who think I am skilled and experienced at eating babies, so... I guess???
mmm yes, the ol’ “California Cheeseburger”… a favorite of mine, too.
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Protip: Save up, buy a dedicated freezer. Like a "redneck hunter's garage" style one. Nothing fancy, just a white box with a dial on the front for how cold you want it. Cheaper than the fancy flashy fridge freezer combos, and much more usable space (although you have to stack stuff inside). A lot cheaper than you'd expect. They also come in a variety of sizes, from small to "I need space for three bodies".
Awesome. Where should I put it? I live in a small apartment. My kitchen is the size of a shoebox.
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fun fact: we grow enough food to feed 15B people. It's just that we feed it to the animals, then eat the animals.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Most of the food we grow for animals is not edible by humans.
Also the soil we use for growing that food is not suitable for growing human food, permanently or temporary.
One of the basics of agriculture is crop rotation. And this crop rotation usually need for foods that are good for animals but not so good for humans.
That while talking about food that is grown specifically for animals. A good part of animal food is just residues from human food. For instance, in my grandmother's house I remember the chickens were basically a walking bio-disposal bin, at not point food was grown specifically for those chicken.
In the matter of wasted food, resources. A lot of it have to do with transportation from very far away places.
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Problem is that some of us have freezers the size of matchboxes, so it is very limited what leftovers we can put in the freezer. It's something I have attempted to tell my parents who have big freezers and lots of good ideas to how you can buy this and that in bulk and just freeze it for later and save so much money!! Cool. But my freezer is still the size of a matchbox.
That doesn't stop you from Meal Planning ahead and only buying what you need for that week.
And leftovers can often make great soups, stews, and curries. They can last in the fridge for about a week.
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Drawback, you'll likely have to defrost those regularly.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Defrosting isn't a big deal. I decide what I want to eat tomorrow, I take it out the freezer and put it in the fridge, by the time I want to eat its defrosted and good to reheat.
Edit: ignore me, I was thinking of defrosting food not defrosting the ice build-up in the freezer
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Most of the food we grow for animals is not edible by humans.
Also the soil we use for growing that food is not suitable for growing human food, permanently or temporary.
One of the basics of agriculture is crop rotation. And this crop rotation usually need for foods that are good for animals but not so good for humans.
That while talking about food that is grown specifically for animals. A good part of animal food is just residues from human food. For instance, in my grandmother's house I remember the chickens were basically a walking bio-disposal bin, at not point food was grown specifically for those chicken.
In the matter of wasted food, resources. A lot of it have to do with transportation from very far away places.
This is weapons grade copium.
The main ingredients in almost all animal feed for industrial farming (90+% of meat production) is grain/cereals. Like corn, wheat, oat, etc. humans eat those things. The protein sources for animal feed is usually soy… humans eat soy.
Please explain why “the soil we use for growing animal feed is not suitable for growing human food”
The only factual part of your comment is about your grandmas chickens eating food scraps. But I’ll bet you they didn’t live entirely on scraps. They still get grain to survive. Also, as stated before, 90%+ of meat doesn’t come from sustainable grandma’s chickens. It comes from hell on earth factory farms.
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I'll only buy something perishable when I need it. I tend to cook for 3-4 days in one go in order to make cooking for only myself somewhat economical. I tend to visit the supermarket every other day so I don't really have to plan too much.
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This is weapons grade copium.
The main ingredients in almost all animal feed for industrial farming (90+% of meat production) is grain/cereals. Like corn, wheat, oat, etc. humans eat those things. The protein sources for animal feed is usually soy… humans eat soy.
Please explain why “the soil we use for growing animal feed is not suitable for growing human food”
The only factual part of your comment is about your grandmas chickens eating food scraps. But I’ll bet you they didn’t live entirely on scraps. They still get grain to survive. Also, as stated before, 90%+ of meat doesn’t come from sustainable grandma’s chickens. It comes from hell on earth factory farms.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Do you know what "alfalfa" is?
I don't know if that's the correct english translation.
Widely used as a source of animal food. Good luck trying to eat that.
Search which cultives tend to be part of healthy crop rotations and most of the times you'll find a crop that's used for animals and cannot be eaten by humans.
Also not are grains and soy are created equal or are as suitable for human consumption in a healthy diet as other plants. Or almost most planta that are used for animal consumption. There's two fact here, first that many times there's a mixed use (part of the plant goes to the animal and part of the plant goes to the human) and other times even when everything is for the animal, there tend to be different varieties. The corn dedicated to human consumption is not the same corn dedicated to animal consumption. It grows different and can take different amount of nutrients for the soil, or take different economic requirements. Human food tend to be much more expensive overall, because our stomach cannot digest plants as easily as herbivores.
Do you think human beings have been farming animals and those "extra crops" just for funsies. It's the most efficient way to feed human population. That's why it have been done for millenia.
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That doesn't stop you from Meal Planning ahead and only buying what you need for that week.
And leftovers can often make great soups, stews, and curries. They can last in the fridge for about a week.
Sure, but I just wanted to point out that some of us do not have freezers that can store a lot of food. Whenever I see people being like "just freeze the leftovers" I look at my freezer like "how?". If I put a bag of beans, a bag of ice and some springrolls in there, it is filled to the brim.
People shouldn't assume that everybody have tons of space to store perishable foods. That's all.
In my household we usually go for small packs of food when we shop groceries. Meats and vegetables etc. We go for small sizes because we don't want to end up throwing out food. It's not cheaper, but it is less wasteful in the long run.
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I buy stuff that lasts. For bread, I find that rye takes weeks longer than white or wheat to start going bad, and bagels last ages too. I make smoothies with mostly frozen fruit. For dinner stuff, if I'm not feeling like cooking I either buy things I'm going to eat in the next few days or I get these sealed precooked things from Aldi that are great and keep well. Coconut milk also tends to keep better than cow milk and lately I've realized I greatly prefer it.
About the only things that are super perishable that I keep around are bananas and avocados, and I just tend to eat these a lot. I also keep spinach or kale around for my smoothies, but I rebag them into separate smaller bags as soon as I get them. If my bananas are getting overripe, they get frozen for smoothies.
I also tend to buy canned soups, which last ages.
When I was cooking regularly I'd make a lot of chilis and pasta sauces. They're good to freeze and they keep well on their own. Chili is arguably better after freezing and having more time to develop.
You can definitely eat pretty healthy and keep plenty of food in the house without constantly chasing waste.
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They're not eating it either way.
But they have it
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Do you know what "alfalfa" is?
I don't know if that's the correct english translation.
Widely used as a source of animal food. Good luck trying to eat that.
Search which cultives tend to be part of healthy crop rotations and most of the times you'll find a crop that's used for animals and cannot be eaten by humans.
Also not are grains and soy are created equal or are as suitable for human consumption in a healthy diet as other plants. Or almost most planta that are used for animal consumption. There's two fact here, first that many times there's a mixed use (part of the plant goes to the animal and part of the plant goes to the human) and other times even when everything is for the animal, there tend to be different varieties. The corn dedicated to human consumption is not the same corn dedicated to animal consumption. It grows different and can take different amount of nutrients for the soil, or take different economic requirements. Human food tend to be much more expensive overall, because our stomach cannot digest plants as easily as herbivores.
Do you think human beings have been farming animals and those "extra crops" just for funsies. It's the most efficient way to feed human population. That's why it have been done for millenia.
Yeah, alfalfa is the correct translation. I tried to do a quick search for how much land is used for forage crops (like alfalfa and hay) but didn’t come up with any decent stats. However, I looked for the global crop production stats and the top 4 globally are sugarcane, corn, rice, and wheat. These 4 contribute almost 50% of total arable land use. On the graphics for production— forage crops don’t even get an honorable mention. So unless you have some info on how much wasted land alfalfa grows on, I’m going to say it’s not all that important (land use wise)
Second, using different cultivars for animal feed and direct human consumption is true. We don’t eat dent corn. We eat sweet corn. Two very different varieties. However, saying that one variety can be grown on this patch of land and the other varieties cannot is simply false.
Yes there are differences in adaptability of different varieties, but they aren’t massive. Especially when you read about how much fertilizer and water we dump on our animal feed crops each year. Any damn plant could grow with those kind of inputs.And lastly, your “appeal to tradition” argument is a classic logical fallacy. So I won’t try to refute it.
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Awesome. Where should I put it? I live in a small apartment. My kitchen is the size of a shoebox.
Pro tip
Move to a bigger house
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Yeah, alfalfa is the correct translation. I tried to do a quick search for how much land is used for forage crops (like alfalfa and hay) but didn’t come up with any decent stats. However, I looked for the global crop production stats and the top 4 globally are sugarcane, corn, rice, and wheat. These 4 contribute almost 50% of total arable land use. On the graphics for production— forage crops don’t even get an honorable mention. So unless you have some info on how much wasted land alfalfa grows on, I’m going to say it’s not all that important (land use wise)
Second, using different cultivars for animal feed and direct human consumption is true. We don’t eat dent corn. We eat sweet corn. Two very different varieties. However, saying that one variety can be grown on this patch of land and the other varieties cannot is simply false.
Yes there are differences in adaptability of different varieties, but they aren’t massive. Especially when you read about how much fertilizer and water we dump on our animal feed crops each year. Any damn plant could grow with those kind of inputs.And lastly, your “appeal to tradition” argument is a classic logical fallacy. So I won’t try to refute it.
There's a economical difference. Growing plants for animals is cheaper. Plants for animals are easier to take care. We dump a lot of fertilizer on animal crops. But we dump even more in human crops.
They amount of care and soil usage is always going to be higher on crops destined to human consumption.
This could grow if we tried to grow only human based food? Yes, but with much higher economical effort andes yield per sqrmeter. When nutrients grow thin in soil is not only that things straight up do not grow, is that less things grow and they grow smaller.
It's not tradicional. It's observation of history. Humans have not grown as omnivore because of tradition. We have not domesticated animals because of tradition. We have done it because it's the most efficient way to do things.
You for instance are vegan because of tradition. Not because economics or efficiency dictate it, but because a series of moral considerations that were passed onto you thus modifying your behavior. But most humans population if faced with the nutritional challenge will both grow plants and farm animals because it is the most efficient way to do things.
Traditional exceptions would be the opposite. Like the cultures that forbid certain foods because religious reasons.
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Cook in bulk for the week. Grocery shopping on Saturday, cooking on Sunday. Then all you have to do is heat things up at meal time.
*I should clarify that you only need to refrigerate, not freeze, the type of stuff I'm talking about. Works better if you're vegetarian
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Sure, but I just wanted to point out that some of us do not have freezers that can store a lot of food. Whenever I see people being like "just freeze the leftovers" I look at my freezer like "how?". If I put a bag of beans, a bag of ice and some springrolls in there, it is filled to the brim.
People shouldn't assume that everybody have tons of space to store perishable foods. That's all.
In my household we usually go for small packs of food when we shop groceries. Meats and vegetables etc. We go for small sizes because we don't want to end up throwing out food. It's not cheaper, but it is less wasteful in the long run.
I gave multiple ways to reduce food waste. You only responded about the freezer and clung to it, you're still talking about it. If you have your own method to not waste food then this post and my comment aren't about you, stop playing the victim.
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I found that visitng shop frequently and buying a little each time helps with this. Also, knowing what you have and planning what to cook with stock in mind. Also, one might find better to buy at small grocery stores (turkish in my area). These have ability to buy as an example 10 or less potatoes instead of fixed 2.5kg of potatoes. That way you're not bound to swiftly eat potatoes before they rot.
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Sure, but I just wanted to point out that some of us do not have freezers that can store a lot of food. Whenever I see people being like "just freeze the leftovers" I look at my freezer like "how?". If I put a bag of beans, a bag of ice and some springrolls in there, it is filled to the brim.
People shouldn't assume that everybody have tons of space to store perishable foods. That's all.
In my household we usually go for small packs of food when we shop groceries. Meats and vegetables etc. We go for small sizes because we don't want to end up throwing out food. It's not cheaper, but it is less wasteful in the long run.
I have a reasonable sized freezer, not a huge one, but I feel like if I put a bag of ice in it I'd have very little space. Ice cube trays will leave you with more room.
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There's a economical difference. Growing plants for animals is cheaper. Plants for animals are easier to take care. We dump a lot of fertilizer on animal crops. But we dump even more in human crops.
They amount of care and soil usage is always going to be higher on crops destined to human consumption.
This could grow if we tried to grow only human based food? Yes, but with much higher economical effort andes yield per sqrmeter. When nutrients grow thin in soil is not only that things straight up do not grow, is that less things grow and they grow smaller.
It's not tradicional. It's observation of history. Humans have not grown as omnivore because of tradition. We have not domesticated animals because of tradition. We have done it because it's the most efficient way to do things.
You for instance are vegan because of tradition. Not because economics or efficiency dictate it, but because a series of moral considerations that were passed onto you thus modifying your behavior. But most humans population if faced with the nutritional challenge will both grow plants and farm animals because it is the most efficient way to do things.
Traditional exceptions would be the opposite. Like the cultures that forbid certain foods because religious reasons.
Gonna need a source for that claim on higher inputs for human food.
If economics is your excuse for raising animal feed instead of human food then it’s just another knock on capitalism. (Although if you calculated the economic cost of raising/slaughtering/shipping all that meat, I’d wager it’s not cheaper than growing plants for humans to eat)
Also, we farmed animals in the past because they are a good storage for calories when it’s winter and you can’t grow food. We live in a global society now. It’s not necessary. Animals are grown and killed because their meat is pleasurable to eat; simple as that.
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