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  • undearius@lemmy.caU [email protected]

    sudo chown -R 1000:1000 /* && sudo chmod -R 777 /*

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    #77

    Great way to get your computer pwnt.

    /*

    What's * doing here?
    Operate only on the nonhidden top-level files?

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    • G [email protected]

      no but he had a second drive and installed xp on it.

      vista was at the bottom of the lake.

      goes to show how old the story is lol.

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      In a way, percussive maintenance was successful.

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      • the_picard_maneuver@lemmy.worldT [email protected]
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        #79

        I own you!
        take ownership & full access of all resources
        threat actor exploits a vulnerable application that is (1) running as you to (2) access resources it doesn't need: they commandeer your system

        how did that happen?

        🤔

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        • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

          I have Windows 10 Pro. I can alter the permissions for anything. If I wanted to, I could delete System32 and fuck the whole thing up.

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          Can you delete Xbox games installed by another administrator? I ran into that problem a few years ago because I reinstalled W10 and had it keep "personal files" which apparently included my Xbox games. I couldn't touch them at all, but I had W10 Home. I wonder if my problem could've been mitigated more easily than a full wipe of the drive? 🤔

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          • G [email protected]

            If you're on windows this means you don't own the file. Go to properties security and take ownership.

            The default windows configuration is aimed at old people who will call tech support when they fuck up their PC.

            You can take ownership of pretty much the entire filesystem.

            Windows is actually hugely customizable people just don't.

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            In the basic case you go to settings and change permissions.

            In the more typical case for os modifications, you go to that tab, open advanced properties, change the owner account by typing in "everyone" or your account name by hand, saving, closing reopening the advanced security settings, probably disable inheritance then create a new permission entry.

            In the most extreme case, where you change files belonging to something critical like windows defender or edge, you can't.
            The only way I am aware of is booting into an older windows install iso, or a live linux iso, then performing the modifications there.

            Disclaimer: I have not done this on windows 11 yet, but I can't imagine the process got simplified.

            Windows has a lot of systems that allow some more complicated modifications. Those are often unnecessarily obfuscated, the registry for example doesn't have to be a weird custom database, it could have been part of the filesystem or at least a more standard database format. Windows will sometimes bite you with weird sketchy systems breaking expectations, and this tends to become inevitable when you try to change stuff Microsoft has decided to remove consumer choice on.
            If Edge and the account push were as easy to avoid as learning how to take basic file ownership, we might not be where we are now (i.e. on Linux).

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              Can you delete Xbox games installed by another administrator? I ran into that problem a few years ago because I reinstalled W10 and had it keep "personal files" which apparently included my Xbox games. I couldn't touch them at all, but I had W10 Home. I wonder if my problem could've been mitigated more easily than a full wipe of the drive? 🤔

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              I'm pretty sure I can. It just takes a little more effort actually going into the permissions tab of the files because Windows doesn't have an equivalent to CHMOD AFAIK.

              Though, I am pretty sure you can do those basic permission options without Pro or Enterprise. You just need to be on an administrator account. Other things, like messing with actual system files, requires the Group Policy Editor.

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              • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

                I'm pretty sure I can. It just takes a little more effort actually going into the permissions tab of the files because Windows doesn't have an equivalent to CHMOD AFAIK.

                Though, I am pretty sure you can do those basic permission options without Pro or Enterprise. You just need to be on an administrator account. Other things, like messing with actual system files, requires the Group Policy Editor.

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                On any Windows system based on the NT kernel (XP+), there's an additional access level above "Administrator": NT Authority\SYSTEM. Some malware can make files hidden or write protected even to Administrator, and afaik there isn't a legitimate way to obtain that authority

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                  We are not root of our own minds

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                    On any Windows system based on the NT kernel (XP+), there's an additional access level above "Administrator": NT Authority\SYSTEM. Some malware can make files hidden or write protected even to Administrator, and afaik there isn't a legitimate way to obtain that authority

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                    I do see the system level authority in the permissions tab; but IDK if that's just because I am on pro or not 🤷‍♂️

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                    • K [email protected]

                      Not necessarily. Linux can have files that are r---r---r--- too

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                      It is also possible to make a file "immutable" such that even sudo rm -f will fail

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                      • frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.worldF [email protected]

                        Edge is the best browser for downloading much better browsers lol

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                        Edge is literally the first program I use on a fresh install.

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                          Me trying to uninstall edge

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                          I don't know what's the hate with edge, it works wonderfully for an average user, it's fully configurable with add-ons and handles security policies really well

                          The AI integration might be a bit over the top but nothing you can't disable in your side

                          Really I don't see why you guys pile on so much on it

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                            Glad to see another voice of sanity regarding Windows.

                            If you haven't learned by now, on Lemmy the only valid option for dealing with Windows configuration and basic Windows admin tasks is to yeet Windows and go to Linux.

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                            Sounds like a bad excuse for having a shitty product.

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                              I don't know what's the hate with edge, it works wonderfully for an average user, it's fully configurable with add-ons and handles security policies really well

                              The AI integration might be a bit over the top but nothing you can't disable in your side

                              Really I don't see why you guys pile on so much on it

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                              Edge is a fine browser. I use it when Firefox isn't working for a particular reason.

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                                Not necessarily. Linux can have files that are r---r---r--- too

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                                Then you sudo chmod. Windows I have to do weird shit with the properties context menu. And even that sometimes doesn't work. I run commands in powershell as Administrator. Still doesn't work.

                                Fuck Windows.

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                                  I don't know what's the hate with edge, it works wonderfully for an average user, it's fully configurable with add-ons and handles security policies really well

                                  The AI integration might be a bit over the top but nothing you can't disable in your side

                                  Really I don't see why you guys pile on so much on it

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                                  Microsoft's monopoly and their for-profit anti-consumer practices is what's wrong with it. Their history says they cannot be trusted. I'd ask myself why they need a browser in the first place.

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                                  • spicytuna62@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

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                                    POOF

                                    Wish 1: Delete your self (the genie deletes your sense of self)

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                                    • P [email protected]

                                      Is this why people run Arch instead or atomic linux distros?

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                                      I prefer to run subatomic Linux

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                                        Is there a technical reason that Linux apps can't/don't just pop up an authenticator thing asking for more privileges like Windows apps can do? Why does nano just say that the file is unwriteable instead of letting me increase the privileges?

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                                        • adrianthefrog@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                          Is there a technical reason that Linux apps can't/don't just pop up an authenticator thing asking for more privileges like Windows apps can do? Why does nano just say that the file is unwriteable instead of letting me increase the privileges?

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                                          Some do. I'm sure it is possible with terminal programs. In KDE, you do get authenticator pop-ups.

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