Who's in charge?
-
I have Windows 10 Pro. I can alter the permissions for anything. If I wanted to, I could delete System32 and fuck the whole thing up.
Can you delete Xbox games installed by another administrator? I ran into that problem a few years ago because I reinstalled W10 and had it keep "personal files" which apparently included my Xbox games. I couldn't touch them at all, but I had W10 Home. I wonder if my problem could've been mitigated more easily than a full wipe of the drive?
-
If you're on windows this means you don't own the file. Go to properties security and take ownership.
The default windows configuration is aimed at old people who will call tech support when they fuck up their PC.
You can take ownership of pretty much the entire filesystem.
Windows is actually hugely customizable people just don't.
In the basic case you go to settings and change permissions.
In the more typical case for os modifications, you go to that tab, open advanced properties, change the owner account by typing in "everyone" or your account name by hand, saving, closing reopening the advanced security settings, probably disable inheritance then create a new permission entry.
In the most extreme case, where you change files belonging to something critical like windows defender or edge, you can't.
The only way I am aware of is booting into an older windows install iso, or a live linux iso, then performing the modifications there.Disclaimer: I have not done this on windows 11 yet, but I can't imagine the process got simplified.
Windows has a lot of systems that allow some more complicated modifications. Those are often unnecessarily obfuscated, the registry for example doesn't have to be a weird custom database, it could have been part of the filesystem or at least a more standard database format. Windows will sometimes bite you with weird sketchy systems breaking expectations, and this tends to become inevitable when you try to change stuff Microsoft has decided to remove consumer choice on.
If Edge and the account push were as easy to avoid as learning how to take basic file ownership, we might not be where we are now (i.e. on Linux). -
Can you delete Xbox games installed by another administrator? I ran into that problem a few years ago because I reinstalled W10 and had it keep "personal files" which apparently included my Xbox games. I couldn't touch them at all, but I had W10 Home. I wonder if my problem could've been mitigated more easily than a full wipe of the drive?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I'm pretty sure I can. It just takes a little more effort actually going into the permissions tab of the files because Windows doesn't have an equivalent to CHMOD AFAIK.
Though, I am pretty sure you can do those basic permission options without Pro or Enterprise. You just need to be on an administrator account. Other things, like messing with actual system files, requires the Group Policy Editor.
-
I'm pretty sure I can. It just takes a little more effort actually going into the permissions tab of the files because Windows doesn't have an equivalent to CHMOD AFAIK.
Though, I am pretty sure you can do those basic permission options without Pro or Enterprise. You just need to be on an administrator account. Other things, like messing with actual system files, requires the Group Policy Editor.
On any Windows system based on the NT kernel (XP+), there's an additional access level above "Administrator":
NT Authority\SYSTEM. Some malware can make files hidden or write protected even to Administrator, and afaik there isn't a legitimate way to obtain that authority -
deleted by creator
We are not root of our own minds
-
On any Windows system based on the NT kernel (XP+), there's an additional access level above "Administrator":
NT Authority\SYSTEM. Some malware can make files hidden or write protected even to Administrator, and afaik there isn't a legitimate way to obtain that authorityI do see the system level authority in the permissions tab; but IDK if that's just because I am on pro or not
️ -
Not necessarily. Linux can have files that are r---r---r--- too
It is also possible to make a file "immutable" such that even
sudo rm -fwill fail -
Edge is the best browser for downloading much better browsers lol
Edge is literally the first program I use on a fresh install.
-
Me trying to uninstall edge
I don't know what's the hate with edge, it works wonderfully for an average user, it's fully configurable with add-ons and handles security policies really well
The AI integration might be a bit over the top but nothing you can't disable in your side
Really I don't see why you guys pile on so much on it
-
Glad to see another voice of sanity regarding Windows.
If you haven't learned by now, on Lemmy the only valid option for dealing with Windows configuration and basic Windows admin tasks is to yeet Windows and go to Linux.
Sounds like a bad excuse for having a shitty product.
-
I don't know what's the hate with edge, it works wonderfully for an average user, it's fully configurable with add-ons and handles security policies really well
The AI integration might be a bit over the top but nothing you can't disable in your side
Really I don't see why you guys pile on so much on it
Edge is a fine browser. I use it when Firefox isn't working for a particular reason.
-
Not necessarily. Linux can have files that are r---r---r--- too
Then you sudo chmod. Windows I have to do weird shit with the properties context menu. And even that sometimes doesn't work. I run commands in powershell as Administrator. Still doesn't work.
Fuck Windows.
-
I don't know what's the hate with edge, it works wonderfully for an average user, it's fully configurable with add-ons and handles security policies really well
The AI integration might be a bit over the top but nothing you can't disable in your side
Really I don't see why you guys pile on so much on it
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Microsoft's monopoly and their for-profit anti-consumer practices is what's wrong with it. Their history says they cannot be trusted. I'd ask myself why they need a browser in the first place.
-
POOF
Wish 1: Delete your self (the genie deletes your sense of self)
-
Is this why people run Arch instead or atomic linux distros?
I prefer to run subatomic Linux
-
This post did not contain any content.wrote on last edited by [email protected]
Is there a technical reason that Linux apps can't/don't just pop up an authenticator thing asking for more privileges like Windows apps can do? Why does nano just say that the file is unwriteable instead of letting me increase the privileges?
-
Is there a technical reason that Linux apps can't/don't just pop up an authenticator thing asking for more privileges like Windows apps can do? Why does nano just say that the file is unwriteable instead of letting me increase the privileges?
Some do. I'm sure it is possible with terminal programs. In KDE, you do get authenticator pop-ups.
-
Sounds like a bad excuse for having a shitty product.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I work in this space profressionally. Systems administrarion, architecture, design, and integration. Please take your single sentence "hot takes" elsewhere.
Windows is far from "a shitty product" or "broken". It is developed by horrid anti-consumer motherfuckers out to extract as much profit as possible from their least profitable user base: home users. Evil as hell, sure, but so is nearly every large corporation that makes shit that fills your personal hovel you call home. If that makes them untouchable for you, that is a great choice. But that does not factually impact the usability or usefulness of the product.
Linux is awesome and necessary. Open source is the only way this whole mess keeps working far into the future, and I am no stranger to compiling shit from source and submitting pull requests.
My problems with the Linux community, specifically on Lemmy, are these: Linux is not "just easier" and depressingly still not ready for the average consumer unwilling to tinker. The overwhelming majority of complaints about Windows so frequently posted here are solved problems that people pretend are entirely unfixable, or refuse to learn how to fix. For many people venting about their computer, it would be easier to direct them how to fix what they have rather than try to use it as an opportunity to push your
religionOS of choice.If you can manage Linux, I promise that "fixing" a Windows install is well within your reach. Plenty of problems with it, but "broken"? "Unusable"? Take a look outside at the majority of the world, or even the fucking Steam user statistics and get back to me on that. More than good enough for the overwhelming majority.
-
It's the constant war on end users that chased me away from windows.
You can't say no to their relentless advertising. It's "maybe later". The pushing to require a Microsoft account. Ads in the start menu. Windows Recall.
The list goes on. You get as much agency as Microsoft allows, or you violate your eula and modify the os to remove things you don't want.
We didn't know it at the time, but windows 7 was peak windows.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]100% valid choice. I'd argue that it's even the correct one.
That said, those specific examples are all "solved". My issue is that the overwhelming amount of Linux pushers here tend to act as though those issues are literally unsolvable.
The ads are nearly all controlled from a single yes/no switch a single level deep into the settings menu. And that switch has not been reset by updates in at least four years. Since I've joined lemmy, every single "Microsoft is pushing more ads into Windows" article I've seen has been talking about ads controlled by this same singular switch.
Things like the pushing of the Microsoft account and Recall are mostly avoided by using their Professional SKU/License/OS version and using GPO to disable those features. Or to take specific steps during install. You have to use the tools they have for corporate customers that have specific legal guidelines that prevent them from being able to use whatever MS's new revenue extraction trick is.
Bullshit? Yes. Should anyone have to do this shit to have a decent OS? No.
But if you're savvy enough to navigate Linux, you're more than capable of navigating this shit on Windows. It's not impossible.
-
Is there a technical reason that Linux apps can't/don't just pop up an authenticator thing asking for more privileges like Windows apps can do? Why does nano just say that the file is unwriteable instead of letting me increase the privileges?
Iirc there are ways to format your command to get it to do this. So whatever app you're using just chose to format its command the simpler way.
